A train dragging coal while more coal is added into it....

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The discussion focuses on a physics problem involving a locomotive dragging empty freight cars while coal is added, requiring calculations of velocity over time under different conditions. Participants emphasize the importance of applying Newton's second law and integrating to find the velocity function, while also addressing the complexities introduced by the variable mass of the system. The term "efficiency" is clarified as the rate of coal mass addition, which is crucial for the calculations. There is a suggestion to derive equations independently rather than relying on external sources for better understanding. The conversation highlights the need to consider the work required to accelerate the added coal to the train's speed.
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Homework Statement



A locomotive is dragging empty freight cars, while coal is being dropped into them. It’s falling down into those freight cars with an efficiency (μ). Overall mass of the whole empty train is M.

a) Calculate v(t) (velocity with respect to time), assuming that the force of train engine and the force of friction are constant.

b) Calculate v(t), assuming that at the moment the coal started dropping, the train engine was stopped. Assume that to drag the empty train a power (P) is needed, and the resultant force of friction remains constant. After what time (ts) will the train stop?

c) What additional force (Fc) needs to be used so that during the coal dropping the velocity of train doesn’t change and equals v0?

Homework Equations


After searching for few hours i found this Variable-mass system equation:

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The Attempt at a Solution


I still have no idea how to tackle it.
 
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Hello,

Firstly, let us see the first question.

If the train has an initial mass M (with empty freight cars) and the efficiency (μ) expresses the added mass per second, then from Newton's second law:

## a=\frac {F} {m} = \frac {F} {M+μt} ##

If you substitute the acceleration a with dv/dt, bring dt from the other side and integrate this equation (considering a velocity v0 at t=0), you can get the function v(t).
 
DoItForYourself said:
Hello,

Firstly, let us see the first question.

If the train has an initial mass M (with empty freight cars) and the efficiency (μ) expresses the added mass per second, then from Newton's second law:

## a=\frac {F} {m} = \frac {F} {M+μt} ##

If you substitute the acceleration a with dv/dt, bring dt from the other side and integrate this equation (considering a velocity v0 at t=0), you can get the function v(t).
Unfortunately that does not work. You are overlooking the work needed to bring each added lump of coal up to the current speed.
 
elkaka7 said:
this Variable-mass system equation:
Yes, that's the equation you need, but the next step is to figure out how the variables in it relate to your problem.
(Of course, it would be much better to derive the equation yourself instead of pulling something from the net. When you have found the answer, I'd like to help you understand why the equation is right.)

The reference to "efficiency" threw me, but as DIY figured out it means the rate at which coal mass is added. Where do you think that fits in your equation?
What about vrel? What relative velocity do you think that is, and what sign should it have?
 
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