[Abstract Algebra] Field and Polynomial Root problem

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The problem involves showing that a specific polynomial \( w(x) = (x-a_1)(x-a_2)...(x-a_n) + 1_F \) has no roots in a field \( F \) with \( n \) elements, where \( 1_F \) is the multiplicative identity in \( F \). The discussion centers around the implications of the polynomial's structure and the properties of fields.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the possibility of using induction and explore specific cases for \( n = 0 \) and \( n = 1 \). There are questions about the nature of the values of \( x \) and whether they are finite or infinite. Some participants suggest evaluating the polynomial at all possible values in the field.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning assumptions, and exploring different interpretations of the polynomial's behavior. Some have begun to recognize that the polynomial evaluates to a constant value when substituting elements from the field, indicating a potential direction in the reasoning.

Contextual Notes

There are discussions about the implications of the polynomial's terms and the nature of roots in finite fields. Some participants express confusion regarding the assumptions about the values of \( x \) and the implications of the polynomial's structure.

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Homework Statement


Suppose a field F has n elements and F=(a_1,a_2,...,a_n). Show that the polynomial w(x)=(x-a_1)(x-a_2)...(x-a_n)+1_F has no roots in F, where 1_f denotes the multiplicative identity in F.

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Strategy: We have this polynomial:
w(x)=(x-a_1)(x-a_2)...(x-a_n)+1_F
When we set it to 0 we see that the (x-a) terms need to equal -1 for w(x) to have a root.

But here's my problem.
I was thinking of trying to use induction on this proof.
But if n = 0, then we have x+1 = 0 and x = i^2 which is in a field, the complex field.
That has a root.

But ok, let's say n = 1. Then we have x-a+1=0 in which case x = 3, a=4 would be a root.

Must I assume that there is more then n=1 elements?
 
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The point is that you already know all possible values for ##x##. What happens if you try them all one by one?
 
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I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. We know all possible values of x? Sure, but couldn't that be from -infinity to +infinity? How does that help?
There must be a deeper understanding to what you are alluding at, but my initial thoughts are that it is confusing. We know all possible values for x?
 
RJLiberator said:
I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. We know all possible values of x? Sure, but couldn't that be from -infinity to +infinity? How does that help?
There must be a deeper understanding to what you are alluding at, but my initial thoughts are that it is confusing. We know all possible values for x?
You are looking for a root of ##w(x)##, i.e. an element ##a ∈ \mathbf{F}## such that ##w(a) = 0##.
Why don't you try all possible ##a## and see what ##w(a)## will get you? There are only finitely many of them, nothing with infinity.
 
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Okay, I am starting to see where you are going with this.

w(x) = (x-a)+1 = 0

w(x)= (x-a1)(x-a2)+1 = 0
x^2-x*a_2-x*a_1+a_1*a_2+1= 0

Couldn't we have a1 = -1 and a2 = 1 and x = 0 ?
 
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Okay, I am starting to see where you are going with this.

w(x) = (x-a)+1 = 0

w(x)= (x-a1)(x-a2)+1 = 0
x^2-x*a_2-x*a_1+a_1*a_2+1= 0

Couldn't we have a1 = -1 and a2 = 1 and x = 0 ?
I think you don't see the forest for all the trees. (Don't know whether this could be said in English, too.)
Again: What is ##w(a)##? (Forget the ##x## for a second.)
 
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w(a) = (a-a)+1 = 1.
So clearly that cannot be a root. So if the product of the (x-a) terms are equal to 0, the +1 disallows it from being a root.

This also works for more terms then just one. As (a-a) = 0, we see (a-a)(a-a1)(a-a2)...(a-an)+1 = 1.
 
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w(a) = (a-a)+1 = 1.
So clearly that cannot be a root. So if the product of the (x-a) terms are equal to 0, the +1 disallows it from being a root.

This also works for more terms then just one. As (a-a) = 0, we see (a-a)(a-a1)(a-a2)...(a-an)+1 = 1.
Yes. ##w(a) = (a-a_1) ... (a-a_n) +1_F## but ##a \in \mathbf{F} = \{a_1, ... , a_n\}##. Therefore ##w(a) = 1_F## and ##1_F \neq 0_F## because ##\mathbf{F}## is a field.
 
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Ugh, I can't believe I didn't see this obvious result from the start.

I'm so out of it lately.

That is completely obvious :p.

I think you don't see the forest for all the trees. (Don't know whether this could be said in English, too.)

Indeed.
 

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