Accelerating spaceship paradox

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a thought experiment involving a spaceship that accelerates constantly away from Earth. Participants explore the implications of relativistic effects on time as perceived from both the spaceship's and Earth's perspectives, particularly focusing on the concept of a maximum time value (tMax) for the spaceship's clock as seen from Earth.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that from Earth's perspective, the spaceship's speed increases but never reaches the speed of light (c), and the spaceship's clock appears to slow down, asymptoting to a certain time value (tMax).
  • Another participant argues against the existence of tMax, stating that while the spaceship's clock does slow down as it approaches c, the rate at which it approaches c also slows, meaning there is no maximum value for the ship's clock as seen from Earth.
  • A later reply acknowledges the misunderstanding regarding tMax and requests the formula to calculate the ship's clock value as seen from Earth, given a constant acceleration.
  • A formula is provided for calculating the ship's clock time (t) as a function of Earth's clock time (T) and acceleration (a), using the inverse hyperbolic sine function.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the existence of tMax, with some asserting it does not exist while others initially proposed it. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these differing views on time perception in relativistic contexts.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves complex relativistic concepts and mathematical formulations that depend on specific assumptions about constant acceleration and the nature of time dilation. There are unresolved aspects regarding the interpretation of time as experienced by different observers.

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Hi,

Please consider:

At time zero a spaceship takes off from Earth and keeps traveling under constant acceleration.

From Earth's perspective, the spaceship's speed keeps increasing but never reaches c. Also from Earth's perspective, the clock on the spaceship keeps slowing down and asymtotes a certain time value (let's call tMax).

However, from spaceship's perspective, their clock has not slowed down and passes tMax. They can take a photograph of their clock showing greater values than tMax, and return to earth. It can be arranged that in the background of this photograph there is evidence that it was taken before the spaceship turned around. How will observers on Earth explain this photograph?

Thanks in advance.
 
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yeknod71 said:
Hi,

Please consider:

At time zero a spaceship takes off from Earth and keeps traveling under constant acceleration.

From Earth's perspective, the spaceship's speed keeps increasing but never reaches c. Also from Earth's perspective, the clock on the spaceship keeps slowing down and asymtotes a certain time value (let's call tMax).
No such value as tMax exists. From Earth, the ship clock does slow down as it approaches c, but so does the rate at which the ship approaches c. There is no maximum value that the ship clock can read as seen from Earth.
However, from spaceship's perspective, their clock has not slowed down and passes tMax. They can take a photograph of their clock showing greater values than tMax, and return to earth. It can be arranged that in the background of this photograph there is evidence that it was taken before the spaceship turned around. How will observers on Earth explain this photograph?

Thanks in advance.
 
Janus said:
No such value as tMax exists. From Earth, the ship clock does slow down as it approaches c, but so does the rate at which the ship approaches c. There is no maximum value that the ship clock can read as seen from Earth.

Thanks, so that was my misunderstanding. If not too much trouble, what would be the formula to calculate ship clock value as seen from Earth, as a function of Earth clock value as seen on Earth, assuming a constant acceleration?
 
That would be:

[tex]t = \frac{c}{a}\sinh^{-1} \left( \frac{aT}{c} \right ) [/tex]

Where t is the shiptime
T is the time on Earth
and a is the acceleration.
sinh-1 is the inverse hyperbolic sin.
 

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