Acceleration perpendicular to velocity in 2D

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between acceleration and velocity in two-dimensional motion, specifically when acceleration is perpendicular to velocity. Participants explore whether this condition implies constant speed and how to demonstrate this mathematically. The conversation includes theoretical implications, mathematical reasoning, and references to physical principles such as circular motion and the work-kinetic energy theorem.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if constant magnitude of acceleration and its perpendicularity to velocity implies constant speed, seeking a mathematical demonstration.
  • Another participant suggests that perpendicular acceleration indicates circular motion, referencing centripetal acceleration and its relationship with speed and radius.
  • A different participant reiterates the circular motion argument, asking for a deduction of circular motion from the assumption of perpendicular acceleration.
  • One participant introduces the work-kinetic energy theorem, proposing that if acceleration is always perpendicular to velocity, kinetic energy remains unchanged, implying constant speed.
  • Another participant notes that if acceleration and velocity are perpendicular, the time derivative of speed is zero, suggesting speed remains constant under these conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the implications of perpendicular acceleration, with some agreeing on its relation to circular motion while others focus on the mathematical aspects. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the definitive relationship between these concepts.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on different assumptions about forces and motion, and there are unresolved mathematical steps in demonstrating the implications of perpendicular acceleration on speed.

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If the magnitude of acceleration is constant, and acceleration is perpendicular to velocity, is speed constant? Also, is speed not constant when the magnitude of acceleration is not constant? How would I show this?

I tried to do this:

If position is [tex]p(t)=(x(t),y(t))[/tex], then velocity is [tex]p'(t)=(x'(t),y'(t))[/tex] and acceleration is [tex]p''(t)=(x''(t),y''(t))[/tex]. If the magnitude of acceleration is constant, [tex]|p''(t)|=k[/tex]. If acceleration and velocity are perpendicular, [tex]p'(t) \cdot p''(t) = x'(t)x''(t) + y'(t)y''(t) = 0[/tex].

But I'm stuck here.

How do I show [tex]|p'(t)|=c[/tex] for some constant?
 
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If the acceleration is perpendicular that means your object is moving in a circular path. So there is a centripetal force and hence acceleration acting.

a=v2/r, so 'a' and 'r' are constants.
 
rock.freak667 said:
If the acceleration is perpendicular that means your object is moving in a circular path. So there is a centripetal force and hence acceleration acting.

a=v2/r, so 'a' and 'r' are constants.

OK, but can you show me how you would deduce the fact that the object is moving with circular motion, given the assumption that acceleration is perpendicular to velocity?
 
tmpr said:
OK, but can you show me how you would deduce the fact that the object is moving with circular motion, given the assumption that acceleration is perpendicular to velocity?

Force is in the direction of acceleration, meaning that normally the acceleration and velocity would lie in the same plane. As far as I know, the only time acceleration is perpendicular to velocity is during circular motion.
 
Assuming that there is no external forces other than the one causing the acceleration.

Use the work-kinetic energy theorem:

In that case:

[tex]\Delta T =- \Delta W = -\int \vec{F}\cdot d\vec{r}[/tex]

From here you should be able to show that T doesn't change if a is always perpendicular to the velocity of the particle (write dr=v(t)dt), and thus speed stays the same.
 
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If acceleration and velocity are perpendicular:
a1v1+a2v2=0
but that is nothing else than the time derivative of v2, that is speed is costant whenever a and v are perpendicular.

But I like G01 explanation. It focus on the physics of the system.
If force and velocity are perpendicular (forse perpendicular to the direction of motion), work made on the system is zero, which implies that the kinetic energy (and so speed) is costant.
 

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