According to our weather person, Fall starts on 9/23/11, How?

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The discussion revolves around the timing of the Fall equinox, specifically why it can begin after September 21st, 2011, and the implications of calendar divisions and Earth's orbital characteristics. The scope includes conceptual clarifications and technical explanations related to astronomy and calendar systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the Earth completes an orbit in approximately 365.25 days and mentions the addition of a Leap year, expressing confusion about the timing of the Fall equinox.
  • Another participant clarifies that the average date of the Fall equinox is September 22 or 23, emphasizing the division of the year into four quarters.
  • A participant points out that the division of the calendar into four equal parts is more complex due to varying lengths of seasonal periods, citing specific day counts for each season.
  • It is mentioned that the Earth's elliptical orbit affects the speed of its revolution, contributing to the unequal seasonal lengths.
  • A participant shares a resource for further understanding the equinox and solstice, indicating its usefulness.
  • Another participant observes historical variations in the date of the September equinox, noting past occurrences on September 24th and future occurrences on September 21st.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the timing of the Fall equinox, with some agreeing on the average dates while others highlight complexities in the calendar system. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact implications of these complexities on the equinox timing.

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The discussion does not fully address the assumptions behind the calendar system or the specific definitions of equinoxes, leaving some aspects unresolved.

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I assume this is the right forum to ask this question

Based on what I think I know, the Earth completes one full orbit of the Sun in approximately 365.25. Every four years we have a Leap year that adds one day. This I understand. What confuses me is how can Fall begin more than 24 hours after 9/21/11 23:59:59.

I remember after submitting that I didn't taking into account time zones. I live on the East Coast and we our on DST and next year we have a Leap Year
 
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The average date of the Fall equinox is Sept 22 or 23, not Sept 21. This is really just a matter of counting days in our calendar months, and equally dividing the year into four quarters.
 
Thanks mesosphereman, I never thought of that
 
It is a little more complicated than dividing the calendar into 4 slices, as the slices are not of equal length or number of days. March equinox to June solstice is around 93 days, the same for June solstice to September equinox. From Sept equuinox to December solstice it is about 90 days, and again the same for december soslice to the March equinox.
The reason being is that the Earth's orbit is an ellipse, and when the Earth is farthest from the sun during the northen hemisphere's summer, it revolves a bit more slowly than during the winter in the northern hemisphere.

A good site that explains the equinox and the solstice is
http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/september-equinox.html
 
Thanks 256bits

That is a great site. I added to my favorites

I notice that they had some Septermber equinox as late as September 24th in 1931 and that the next time it will be on September 21 is in 2092.
 

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