Adding in Base 20: 1HE1C +JDF0 = 2H7GC

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The discussion revolves around adding numbers in base 20, specifically the calculation of 1HE1C + JDF0 and the resulting sum of 2H7GC. Participants explore different methods for performing the addition, including direct addition and conversion to base 10.

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  • One participant notes that they were unable to derive the digit 'H' when adding by hand, despite the calculator providing the result.
  • Another participant suggests converting the numbers to base 10 for clarity, detailing the addition process digit by digit and noting carries.
  • A participant describes a method learned in a CS FORTRAN class, expressing the numbers in terms of powers of 20 and summing them algebraically.
  • One participant reiterates the addition steps, confirming the calculations for each digit and explaining how the carries affect the final result.

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Participants generally agree on the method of addition and the resulting sum, but there is no consensus on the ease of performing the addition by hand versus using a calculator. Some participants express uncertainty about the manual calculations, while others provide detailed explanations that suggest a level of confidence in their methods.

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Some participants rely on specific assumptions about the base 20 system and the handling of carries, which may not be universally understood. The discussion does not resolve potential misunderstandings regarding the addition process in base 20.

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Add in base 20

1HE1C +JDF0= 2H7GC from calculator
By hand I couldn't get the H

Using
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
A=10
B=11
C=12
D=13
E=14
F=15
G=16
H=17
I=18
J=19
K=20
 
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as we are not comfortable with base 20 let us convert to base 10 (digit by digit) and concert it back
1HE1C
JDF 0
--------
2H7GC

C+ 0 = C OK
F + 1 = G OK
$E + D = (14 + 13)_{10} = 27_{10} = 17_{20}$ so 7 and carry 1
$H+J + 1 = (17 + 19 + 1)_{10} = 37_{10} = {1H}_{20}$ so H and carry 1
$1+1= 2$
 
learned this method in a CS FORTRAN class a long time ago ...

Let $x=20$

1HE1C = $x^4 + 17x^3 + 14x^2 + x + 12x^0$

JDF0 = $19x^3 + 13x^2 + 15x + 0x^0$

sum ...

$x^4 + (20+16)x^3 + (20+7)x^2 + 16x + 12x^0$

$x^4 + 20x^3 + 16x^3 + 20x^2 + 7x^2 + 16x + 12x^0$

$x^4 + x^4 + 16x^3 + x^3 + 7x^2 + 16x + 12x^0$

$2x^4 + 17x^3 + 7x^2 + 16x + 12x^0$ = 2H7GC
 
skeeter said:
learned this method in a CS FORTRAN class a long time ago ...

Let $x=20$

1HE1C = $x^4 + 17x^3 + 14x^2 + x + 12x^0$

JDF0 = $19x^3 + 13x^2 + 15x + 0x^0$

sum ...

$x^4 + (20+16)x^3 + (20+7)x^2 + 16x + 12x^0$

$x^4 + 20x^3 + 16x^3 + 20x^2 + 7x^2 + 16x + 12x^0$

$x^4 + x^4 + 16x^3 + x^3 + 7x^2 + 16x + 12x^0$

$2x^4 + 17x^3 + 7x^2 + 16x + 12x^0$ = 2H7GC

that would be a little bit easier to remember!
 
karush said:
Add in base 20

1HE1C +JDF0= 2H7GC from calculator
By hand I couldn't get the H
First, C+ 0= C. That's the right-most "digit".
1+ F= 1+ 15= 16= G. That's the next "digit".
E+ D= 14+ 13= 27= 20+ 7= 17. The next "digit" is 7 and "carry the 1".
That may be what's keeping you from "getting the H".
H+ J= 17+ 19= 36 and "carrying the 1", 27= 20+ 17= 1H. The next "digit" is H and "carry the 1"
With that carry, the last addition is 1+ 1= 2.
That's how we get 2H7GC!

Using
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
A=10
B=11
C=12
D=13
E=14
F=15
G=16
H=17
I=18
J=19
K=20
 

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