Addition and Multiplication of Natural Numbers - Bloch Th. 1.2.7 .... ....

In summary, the conversation is discussing a specific theorem (Theorem 1.2.7) from Ethan D. Bloch's book on real numbers and real analysis. The conversation focuses on the statement "We will show that G = \mathbb{N}," and questions the reasoning behind Bloch's assertion that "G \subseteq \mathbb{N}." The expert summarizer explains that this assertion is based on the definition of G, which states that each element of G must be an element of \mathbb{N}. The expert also clarifies that even if G is empty, it is still true that G \subseteq \mathbb{N}.
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I am reading Ethan D. Bloch's book: The Real Numbers and Real Analysis ...

I am currently focused on Chapter 1: Construction of the Real Numbers ...

I need help/clarification with an aspect of Theorem 1.2.7 (1) ...

Theorem 1.2.7 reads as follows:
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In the above proof of (1) we read the following:" We will show that \(\displaystyle G = \mathbb{N}\), which will imply the desired result. Clearly \(\displaystyle G \subseteq \mathbb{N}\). ... ... ... "Before he proves that \(\displaystyle 1 \in G\), Bloch asserts that \(\displaystyle G \subseteq \mathbb{N}\) ... what is his reasoning ...?

It does not appear to me ... from the order in which he says things that he is saying

\(\displaystyle 1 \in G\) ... therefore \(\displaystyle G \subseteq \mathbb{N}\) ...

Can we immediately conclude that \(\displaystyle G \subseteq \mathbb{N}\) without relying on \(\displaystyle 1 \in G \)... ... ?Hope someone can help ... ...

Peter
 
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Peter said:
In the above proof of (1) we read the following:" We will show that \(\displaystyle G = \mathbb{N}\), which will imply the desired result. Clearly \(\displaystyle G \subseteq \mathbb{N}\). ... ... ... "Before he proves that \(\displaystyle 1 \in G\), Bloch asserts that \(\displaystyle G \subseteq \mathbb{N}\) ... what is his reasoning ...?
The definition of $G$ is of the form $G = \{z\in \Bbb{N} \mid \ldots \}$. This says that each element $z$ of $G$ is an element of $\Bbb{N}$, in other words $G\subseteq\Bbb{N}$.
 
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Opalg said:
The definition of $G$ is of the form $G = \{z\in \Bbb{N} \mid \ldots \}$. This says that each element $z$ of $G$ is an element of $\Bbb{N}$, in other words $G\subseteq\Bbb{N}$.
Thanks Opalg ... appreciate the help ...

But ... what if no z satisfy the criteria for membership of G ... and G = \(\displaystyle \emptyset\) ... ?Peter
 
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Peter said:
Thanks Opalg ... appreciate the help ...

But ... what if no z satisfy the criteria for membership of G ... and G = \(\displaystyle \emptyset\) ... ?Peter
That's not a problem. The empty set is a subset of every set. So even if $G = \emptyset$, it's still true that $G\subseteq \Bbb{N}$.
 
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Opalg said:
That's not a problem. The empty set is a subset of every set. So even if $G = \emptyset$, it's still true that $G\subseteq \Bbb{N}$.
Thanks again Opalg ...

That certainly resolves that issue ...

Peter
 

1. What are natural numbers?

Natural numbers are positive integers that are used for counting and ordering. They start from 1 and go on infinitely. They do not include fractions or negative numbers.

2. What is addition of natural numbers?

Addition is a basic mathematical operation that combines two or more natural numbers to get a sum. It is denoted by the "+" symbol, and the result is always a natural number.

3. What is multiplication of natural numbers?

Multiplication is another basic mathematical operation that combines two or more natural numbers to get a product. It is denoted by the "x" symbol, and the result is always a natural number.

4. How is addition of natural numbers performed?

Addition of natural numbers is performed by starting with the first number and counting on the second number. For example, 2 + 3 can be done by starting with 2 and counting up 3 more numbers, which gives a result of 5.

5. How is multiplication of natural numbers performed?

Multiplication of natural numbers is performed by repeatedly adding the first number to itself the number of times given by the second number. For example, 2 x 3 can be done by adding 2 to itself 3 times, which gives a result of 6.

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