Adjoint representation of SU(3)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the adjoint representation of SU(3), specifically focusing on the commutation relations of the generators and the construction of the corresponding matrices. Participants explore the mathematical framework and properties of these representations, including references to structure constants and the Gell-Mann matrices.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant attempts to prove the commutation relation [Ta,Tb] = ifabcTc, noting specific matrix components for T1, T2, and T3.
  • Another participant points out that the generators appear to be nilpotent, which is not consistent with the requirements for SU(3) generators.
  • A participant questions how to correctly build the generators, suggesting that the Jacobi identities may be relevant.
  • Reference is made to the Gell-Mann matrices and the relationship between the adjoint representation and group homomorphisms.
  • One participant expresses progress in constructing the 8 x 8 adjoint matrices and raises a question about the effect of interchanging indices on the sign of the constants.
  • A participant clarifies that the adjoint representation of SU(3) consists of 8 matrices, not just 3.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach consensus on the correct construction of the generators, and multiple competing views regarding the properties and definitions of the adjoint representation remain evident throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the assumptions made in constructing the generators, the implications of nilpotency, and the specific mathematical steps required to derive the correct forms of the matrices.

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Not sure if this is the correct forum but here goes.

I am trying to prove [Ta,Tb] = ifabcTc

Where (Ta)bc = -ifabc and fabcare the structure constants for SU(3).

I picked f123 and generated the three 8 x 8 matrices .. T1, T2 and T3.
The matrices components are all 0 except for,

(T1)23 = -i
(T(1)47 = -i/2
(T1)56 = i/2

(T2)46 = -i/2
(T2)57 = -i/2

(T3)45 = -i/2
(T3)67= i/2

When I compute [T1,T2] I get 0. What am I missing?
 
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All your generators ##T^i## seem to be nilpotent which can't be. They have to be regular, i.e. invertible.
 
Yes, so how does one build the correct generators? This worked fine for SU(2) so something else is missing. I suspect the Jacobi identities play a role but I'm not sure how to proceed. Thanks
 
Have a look on the Gell-Mann matrices: (try ##\lim_{t→0} \exp(t \lambda_i)##, or simply ##1+\lambda_i##)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_matrices

Remember that the adjoint representation ##Ad## is a group homomorphism ##SU(3) \longrightarrow GL(\mathfrak{su}(3))## with ##Ad(\exp(\lambda_i)) = \exp(ad (\lambda_i)).##
 
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Thanks. I am familiar with the G-M matrices. I am after the 8 x 8 adjoint versions of the generators. I think I am making progress. When I add indeces:

(T1)32,
(T1)74,
(T1)65,

(T2)64,
(T2)75,

(T3)54,
(T3)76,

into the mix I almost get the right answer. I am wondering if interchanging the second and third indeces changes the sign of the constant.

Forgive me if I am making this hard work but I no expert in GT.
 
Adjoint representation of SU(3) has 8 matrices, not 3.
 

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