Adjusted vehicle acceleration up an incline

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around deriving a general formula for the acceleration of a vehicle moving up an incline, considering factors such as mass, friction coefficient, acceleration force, and slope angle.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between the maximum acceleration on an incline and the forces acting on the vehicle, questioning how to incorporate the vehicle's engine force relative to the maximum friction force.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on the relationship between vehicle force and maximum friction force, while others are clarifying the implications of these relationships on the acceleration formula. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing discussion about the assumptions regarding how the vehicle's force behaves as the slope increases, and the need to distinguish between forces and accelerations in the equations presented.

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Homework Statement


I need to come up with a general formula that a vehicle with given mass(m), friction coefficient(u), acceleration force(f), and slope(theta), return the amount of acceleration on the vehicle.


Homework Equations


max acceleration on an incline = -mgsin(theta) + (umgcos(theta))/m


The Attempt at a Solution


Following the information here, https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=235128 I believe the equation for the maximum acceleration up an incline, = -mgsin(theta) + (umgcos(theta))/m, but this is just the maximum possible given the friction. I need to scale this down depending on the how much force the vehicle can put out.

Any suggestions on the next step, or am I going about this the wrong way?
 
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As you're probably aware, the maximum friction force is

Fmax = μs N

I think that expression would just be replaced with the (presumably lower) force the vehicle's engine is capable of.
 
I was under the impression that it would be more complicated, namely, that the force that the car could put out would get less and less as the slope increased, now I'm thinking this was where I was mistaken. The force that the vehicle can put out doesn't decrease until the vehicle's force exceeds the maximum friction force, so the solution, will look something like this...

if VehicleForce > MaxFrictionForce
max acceleration on an incline = -mgsin(theta) + (umgcos(theta))/m
if vehicleForce <= MaxFructionForce
max acceleration on an incline = -mgsin(theta) + vehicleforce

Sound right?
 
Seems right, just be careful with the m's. I.e., mgsinθ is a force, not an acceleration ... just need to remove the mass from that term.
 

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