Age of Light: How is it Estimated?

  • Context: Undergrad 
  • Thread starter Thread starter fugg
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Age Light
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the estimation of the age of light from distant astronomical objects, particularly focusing on methods used to determine this age, such as the concepts of standard candles and redshift. The scope includes theoretical and conceptual aspects of astronomy.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the age of light is approximated by determining the distance to the emitting object, suggesting that if an object is 10 billion light years away, the light is considered 10 billion years old by the time it reaches us.
  • Another participant explains the use of standard candles, such as Type IA Supernovae and Cepheid variables, to calibrate astronomical distances, emphasizing the inverse square law of light propagation.
  • Redshift is introduced as a critical factor in measuring distance, with a participant describing it as a frequency elongation that can be estimated using the Doppler effect for light.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the reliability of the methods, hinting at the complexity and potential issues with the concepts involved in measuring cosmic distances.
  • A participant provides a link to the "cosmic distance ladder," suggesting it may reveal the uncertainties in our understanding of the universe's size.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the methods used to estimate the age of light, such as standard candles and redshift. However, there is an underlying sense of skepticism regarding the reliability and assumptions behind these methods, indicating that the discussion remains somewhat contested.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations are noted regarding the assumptions involved in the distance measurements and the potential uncertainties in the methods discussed, particularly concerning the cosmic distance ladder.

fugg
Messages
19
Reaction score
0
Hello. I was recently reading up on the furthest start found so far to have been dated to approximately 13.7 billion years ago if I remember correctly.
I'm curious though, how is the "age" of this light approximated? Photons themselves are radiation right soo...? Thanks in advance.
 
Science news on Phys.org
This is how I [a regular Joe] understand it:

There's objects in the universe that serve as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_candle" . Two are the most common used to calibrate astronomical distances: Type IA Supernovae and Cepheid variables. If you know how bright something is, you can estimate it's distance using an inverse square law of light propagation. Then.. you have to calibrate your measurement using something called "redshift".

Light propagates as a wave (as well as discrete packages of energy: photons). Being a wave, it has a measurable frequency and this frequency can vary for a variety of reasons. In this particular case, Astronomers measure what's called "redshift". Redshift is equivalent to a frequency elongation which can be estimated using the Doppler effect for light.

Analogous to the Doppler effect for sound, light waves can elongate (redshift) or compress (blueshift). The elongation in light from deep deep outer space is caused by 2 things: the speed of source and the expansion of the universe itself.

If you're not familiar with the Doppler effect, think of it as what you hear when you're standing still on the side of the highway and big loud truck passes by [the sound pitch will increase as the osingbject gets closer].

EDIT: Added first paragraph. It didn't pass the first time I posted
 
Last edited by a moderator:
To sum it up simply: the age of the light is determined by finding the distance to the object emitting it. If an object is 10 billion light years away, we say the light it emitted is 10 billion years old by the time it gets to us. As JRPB explained, the distance can be determined using the brightness of standard candles, or by measuring redshift. (Hopefully the two measurements should roughly agree with each other)
 
google "distance ladder" But be warned, you might regret learning just how tenuous are our ideas of the size of the universe :smile:
 
Diazona isn't that just begging the question?
Seems a bit tough to chew but interesting nonetheless. Thanks for the responses.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
3K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
3K
  • · Replies 25 ·
Replies
25
Views
5K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
2K
  • · Replies 23 ·
Replies
23
Views
3K
  • · Replies 18 ·
Replies
18
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
5K
  • · Replies 34 ·
2
Replies
34
Views
4K