Air flow in inlet manifold affecting engine performance

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The discussion revolves around modeling air flow in the inlet manifold of an engine using computational fluid dynamics (CFD) to understand how variations in flow and other parameters affect engine performance. The focus includes theoretical aspects, practical modeling techniques, and specific parameters relevant to engine dynamics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to model air flow in the inlet manifold using CFD and is interested in how to predict the impact of flow variations on engine performance.
  • Another participant outlines several factors to consider in modeling, including inlet vacuum, wave pulse dynamics, manifold runner dimensions, and engine RPM.
  • A different participant questions how to represent the effects of air flow on the air-fuel ratio and combustion in a graphical format after setting up the model.
  • One response critiques the initial inquiry as overly broad and suggests clarifying the specific goals for using CFD in this context.
  • A participant expresses a desire to study flow characteristics in a four-cylinder naturally aspirated diesel engine, mentioning the parameters they have for modeling.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on what specific flow characteristics are being studied and emphasizes the need for specificity in the inquiry.
  • One participant indicates interest in studying velocity, temperature, and pressure variations from the plenum to the runner, as well as density distribution and the effects of different manifold types.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the modeling process and the specific aspects of air flow to study, indicating that multiple competing views remain and the discussion is unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of modeling air flow and the need for specific parameters and conditions to accurately assess engine performance. There are mentions of the challenges in validating models without comparing them to known geometries.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals involved in automotive engineering, CFD modeling, and those studying engine performance dynamics.

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i want to model air flow in the inlet manifold using CFD ,how do i predict
how flow variations and other parameters affect engine performance ?
i know how it affects but how do i show it virtually
 
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There are several important things to consider in modelling the intake manifold:

a) Inlet vacuum that depends on the flow rate and throttle body size.
b) Wave pulse dynamics that depend mostly on runner length. In a very simplified sense, you can see this behavior in the Hemholtz resonator model.
c) manifold runner diameter and length which affects flow restriction and pressure drop.
d) Engine rpm which affects all of the above.


As you can see, this the problem is very dynamic. You could start with a fixed engine speed, and try to set up the model.
 
After I set up the model how do I represent air flow in manifold affecting engine performance..changes in air flow affects a/f ratio and combustion ..but will I be able
to represent that as a graph?
 
You are basically asking how do I do CFD, and how can I get results.
Which can't realistically be answered in a forum post.

It's sort of like asking how do I write a best selling novel in French. When you can't speak French nor have any experience writing novels.Lets start from the beginning, what are you actually trying to achieve, that prompeted you need to use CFD to model an inlet manifold?
 
I want to study the flow characteristics of air when it enters the inlet manifold and reaches the combustion chamber, considering a four cylinder naturally aspirated diesel engine.
I have the required parameters such as temperature ,mass flow rate etc for the inlet air...i want to use ansys-cfx to model the component and solve it.I have a fair idea about defining domains ,boundary conditions etc.
 
What do you mean by 'study the flow characteristics of the air'? What aspect specifically are you studying? What programmes do you have access to?

When I say specific, I mean very very specific.

Without comparing the changes to a running engine with known geometry, you simply can't tell what sort of changes air flow will make. How do you plan to verify and validate the model?

It's still far too broad a remit to give a sensible answer. eg. You could be looking at inlet conditions past the valve, which is a whole different problem to looking at what happens to the air within the combustion chamber, which is again a whole different problem to modelling say, density distribution within a plenum.
 
I want to study velocity,temperature and pressure variations from the time air
enters (from plenum to runner)to the time before inlet valve opens.As you said
I am also bothered about density distribution in plenum.I also want to vary the type of manifold being used helical ,spherical and observe the changes
 

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