Airflow/speed in a pipe due to pressure differentials

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The discussion centers around calculating the airflow speed in a pipe with known dimensions and differing pressures at each end, and the feasibility of using this airflow to generate electricity. It explores theoretical and practical aspects of airflow dynamics, including potential applications and limitations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about calculating airspeed in a pipe with differing pressures and suggests the potential for generating clean electricity through a generator placed within the pipe.
  • Another participant mentions Bernoulli's equation as a possible tool for this calculation.
  • A participant points out that air pressure varies with altitude, noting that a vertical pipe would not result in airflow, while a horizontal pipe would allow airflow from higher to lower pressure, likening it to wind power.
  • Another response emphasizes the importance of viscosity in calculating airflow, suggesting that Bernoulli's equation alone may not yield accurate results without considering viscous losses.
  • One participant proposes using the Hagen-Poiseuille equation and mentions the Darcy-Weisbach equation to account for viscous losses and power extraction in the context of the original inquiry.
  • A later reply suggests that the idea of using a generator in a pipe might be more applicable in specific scenarios, such as between two rooms with different pressures.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility and practicality of using a pipe for generating electricity from airflow, with some supporting the idea and others suggesting alternatives like wind power. There is no consensus on the best approach to calculate airflow speed or the viability of the proposed setup.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need to consider factors such as viscosity and pressure differences, indicating that assumptions about airflow dynamics may vary based on specific conditions and configurations.

Shayne T
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I was just wondering is there any way to calculate what the airspeed would be, inside of a pipe with a known diameter and length, that lay with each end exposed to a known, different pressue than the other.

Was wondering if such a set up would be feasible for generating clean electricity by setting up a generator within the pipe that would spin due to the airflow. I am sure somebody has already thought of this and realized it was less feasible than current methods, but I was just curious, as I cannot find any information on the internet that discusses this.
 
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Bernoulli's equation?
 
Air pressure varies with altitude. Therefore every vertical pipe has a pressure difference between the ends, but the airspeed is zero.

A horizontal pipe with different pressures at each end will experience air flowing from the higher pressure to the lower pressure. But that air will flow even without the pipe. We call it wind. So drop the pipe, keep the generator, and call it wind power.
 
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Simon Bridge said:
Bernoulli's equation?

Not if you want an accurate answer. Viscosity is important in pipes, as it is by far the most important source of pressure drop.

anorlunda said:
A horizontal pipe with different pressures at each end will experience air flowing from the higher pressure to the lower pressure. But that air will flow even without the pipe. We call it wind. So drop the pipe, keep the generator, and call it wind power.

This would be true out in the atmosphere, but there are situations where @Shayne T's idea would make a little more sense, for example, if you have two separate rooms that are generally at different pressures but need not be. You could put such a generator between them to equalize the pressures (partially) and recover some energy from the process.

Shayne T said:
I was just wondering is there any way to calculate what the airspeed would be, inside of a pipe with a known diameter and length, that lay with each end exposed to a known, different pressue than the other.

Was wondering if such a set up would be feasible for generating clean electricity by setting up a generator within the pipe that would spin due to the airflow. I am sure somebody has already thought of this and realized it was less feasible than current methods, but I was just curious, as I cannot find any information on the internet that discusses this.

You could start with the Hagen-Poiseuille equation. You could also use the Bernoulli equation as suggested by @Simon Bridge provided that you make accommodations for the viscous losses using the Darcy-Weisbach equation. That approach would also allow you to use a head loss term to represent the power extraction.
 
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... also, googling the terms will provide more insights and save typing.
 

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