Algebra Problem, solving by rearranging

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The problem involves finding the value of x² + y² given the equations x + y = 1 and (x² + y²)(x³ + y³) = 12. Initial attempts led to the conclusion that x² + y² = 1, but further analysis revealed that this was incorrect. By substituting and manipulating the equations, it was determined that x² + y² must equal 3, as one of the solutions to the derived quadratic equation is negative and thus not valid. The discussion emphasizes the importance of careful algebraic manipulation and substitution in solving such problems.
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Homework Statement


Let x and y be real numbers with x+y=1 and (x2 + y2)(x3 + y3) = 12. What is the value of x2 + y2 ?


Homework Equations


Sum of Cubes: (a3 + b3) = (a+b)(a2-ab+b2)


The Attempt at a Solution


I plugged in the sum of cubes to the equation that equals 12 to get:
(x2 + y2)(x+y)(x2-xy+y2) = 12
and since (x+y) = 1,
(x2 + y2)(x2-xy+y2) = 12
and therefore,
(x2 + y2)(x2-xy+y2) = (x2 + y2)(x3 + y3)
cancellation:
(x+y)(x2-xy+y2) = (x3 + y3) = 12

then I plugged (x3 + y3) for 12 to the original equation:
(x2 + y2)(x3 + y3) = (x3 + y3)
and that means that (x2 + y2) = 1, right?
 
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The answer key that I just found said that the answer is 3...
Where did I go wrong?
 
PotentialE said:

Homework Statement


Let x and y be real numbers with x+y=1 and (x2 + y2)(x3 + y3) = 12. What is the value of x2 + y2 ?


Homework Equations


Sum of Cubes: (a3 + b3) = (a+b)(a2-ab+b2)


The Attempt at a Solution


I plugged in the sum of cubes to the equation that equals 12 to get:
(x2 + y2)(x+y)(x2-xy+y2) = 12
and since (x+y) = 1,
(x2 + y2)(x2-xy+y2) = 12
and therefore,
(x2 + y2)(x2-xy+y2) = (x2 + y2)(x3 + y3)
cancellation:
(x+y)(x2-xy+y2) = (x3 + y3) = 12
How did you arrive at the above line ?
then I plugged (x3 + y3) for 12 to the original equation:
(x2 + y2)(x3 + y3) = (x3 + y3)
and that means that (x2 + y2) = 1, right?
 
SammyS said:
How did you arrive at the above line ?

A typo, my bad,
what I meant was:

and therefore,
(x2 + y2)(x+y)(x2-xy+y2) = (x2 + y2)(x3 + y3)
cancellations:
(x2 + y2)(x2-xy+y2) = (x2 + y2)(x3 + y3) = 12
(x2-xy+y2) = (x3 + y3)

I plugged in the sum of cubes to the equation that equals 12 to get:
(x2 + y2)(x+y)(x2-xy+y2) = 12
and since (x+y) = 1,
(x2 + y2)(x2-xy+y2) = 12
and therefore,
(x2 + y2)(x2-xy+y2) = (x2 + y2)(x3 + y3)
cancellation:
(x2-xy+y2) = (x3 + y3)

Now I realize that the last part is wrong, but where do I go from here?
 
How did you get from

(x2 + y2)(x2-xy+y2) = 12
to
(x2 + y2)(x+y)(x2-xy+y2) = (x2 + y2)(x3 + y3) ?

I'm not saying it's wrong, I just don't follow it.

Anyway, after several pages of algebra, I also arrived at x2+y2=1
Are you sure you're looking at the right answer?

x=1±\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} , 1±\frac{\sqrt{5}i}{\sqrt{3}}

edit: I plugged it into the original equation and it doesn't work, so I must have made a mistake somewhere. Odd that we both got the same answer..
 
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PotentialE said:

Homework Statement


Let x and y be real numbers with x+y=1 and (x2 + y2)(x3 + y3) = 12. What is the value of x2 + y2 ?


Homework Equations


Sum of Cubes: (a3 + b3) = (a+b)(a2-ab+b2)


The Attempt at a Solution


I plugged in the sum of cubes to the equation that equals 12 to get:
(x2 + y2)(x+y)(x2-xy+y2) = 12
and since (x+y) = 1,
(x2 + y2)(x2-xy+y2) = 12
and therefore,
(x2 + y2)(x2-xy+y2) = (x2 + y2)(x3 + y3)
cancellation:
(x+y)(x2-xy+y2) = (x3 + y3) = 12

then I plugged (x3 + y3) for 12 to the original equation:
(x2 + y2)(x3 + y3) = (x3 + y3)
and that means that (x2 + y2) = 1, right?
Let
A = x^2 + y^2

(x^2 + y^2)(x^3 + y^3) = 12
A(x+y) (x^2-x y+y^2)=12
A(A-x y)=12
x+y = 1 \rightarrow (x+y)^2 = 1 \rightarrow x^2+y^2+2xy = 1 \rightarrow xy = \frac{1-x^2-y^2}{2}=\frac{1-A}{2}
A(A-\frac{1-A}{2})=12
A(\frac{3}{2}A-\frac{1}{2})=12
3A^2-A-24=0
You get two answers, but one is negative. We know the answer must be positive. The answer is 3.
 
This is an olympiad type question, you need to play with it. Start with x = 1-y, then get formulas for (x^2 + y^2) and (x^3 + y^3). Look to make a substitution.
 
You get two answers, but one is negative. We know the answer must be positive. The answer is 3.

thanks for your help! that makes perfect sense
 
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