Alternating currents, what's the use?

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The discussion revolves around the practical uses and advantages of alternating current (AC) compared to direct current (DC) in electrical systems. Participants explore various aspects including generation, transmission efficiency, and applications in technology.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the practical uses of AC compared to DC, noting that DC currents flow in one direction.
  • One participant highlights that transformers, which are essential for modern power distribution, cannot be used with DC.
  • Another participant mentions that AC is easy to generate and transmit over long distances, while also noting that few devices use AC directly, with exceptions like induction motors and incandescent bulbs.
  • A humorous remark references Edison's demonstration of AC's dangers by electrocuting an elephant, suggesting a historical context for the AC vs. DC debate.
  • Some participants argue that AC can cause a person to be thrown off if they accidentally grab a live cable, whereas DC may cause a person to grip harder.
  • One participant points out that extremely high voltage DC is being used for long-distance power lines due to lower losses compared to AC.
  • Another participant asserts that generating electricity is easier with AC and that it is effective for long-distance transmission.
  • Contradictory views emerge regarding the efficiency of AC versus DC for long-distance transmission, with some arguing that DC is more efficient due to factors like peak voltage and skin effect.
  • Concerns are raised about the safety and practicality of high current DC lines, with participants discussing the challenges of switching and disconnecting them.
  • One participant questions the significance of skin effect at 60 Hz and discusses AC losses in relation to undersea or underground cables.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the advantages of AC and DC, particularly in terms of transmission efficiency and practical applications. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various technical aspects such as transformer functionality, voltage levels, and safety concerns, but do not resolve the complexities surrounding the efficiency of AC versus DC transmission.

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today i was introduced to AC currents in my electricty/magnetism class. Perhaps we're not to this point yet, but I'm not sure what's the use of an alternating current, compared to DC currents. dc currents can only go in one direction, but what's the practical use for alternating one?

sorry for stupid question.
 
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From a practical standpoint they are easy to generate and transmit efficiently over long distances. From the consumer side though, few things are able to use AC current directly. Two exceptions being the standard three phase induction motor and incandescent bulb.
 
As Mr Edison demonstrated they are very useful for electrocuting elephants
 
If you accidently grap a live AC carrying cable you will tend to be thrown off, if you do the same to a DC cable you will grab the cable harder.
Heaters use AC directly as well.
 
syhprum said:
As Mr Edison demonstrated they are very useful for electrocuting elephants

The reason Edison publicly electrocuted an elephant was to supposedly prove that AC was more dangerous than DC. Edison had invested a fortune in DC power distribution even though the hand writing was on the wall, so to speak, for the inevitable world use of AC. He also did it to embarrass Tesla, a former employee of Edison, who was really the founder of alternating current generation and distribution. See Wikipedia, War Of Currents.

Extremely high voltage DC power distribution is being used in some areas for very long distance power lines because there are less losses due to hysteresis and capacitive/inductive reactance. Also very efficient methods are available now for converting DC to AC for local distribution.
 
The way you generate electricity, it's easier to make it AC. It is also much more effective to transmit long distances. A lot of motors are with AC, no sparks, simpler, more durable...
 
pixel01 said:
. It is also much more effective to transmit long distances.QUOTE]

No, it is not. Read the many articles on the net about very long transmission lines using high voltage DC. The longer the line the better DC is to transmit because of reasons I stated previously. There are DC lines in use right now that are over 1100 miles long. In my state there is a new DC line 465 miles long. DC is being used here for a reason and the reason is higher efficiency.

http://www.jcmiras.net/jcm/item/86/ ,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-voltage_direct_current
 
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pixel01 said:
The way you generate electricity, it's easier to make it AC. It is also much more effective to transmit long distances.
Only indirectly true.
It's more efficient to transmit DC long distances for several reasons (peak voltage, radiative losses, skin effect) and practical reasons (no need to keep the distant grids in phase).
The reason we use AC grids is that it's easier to convert into high voltage and back - which is presumably what you meant.

And although AC is an electric shock risk at low currents, DC is very dangerous at high powers. It's very difficult to safely switch or disconnect a high current DC line.
 
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mgb_phys said:
Only indirectly true.
It's more efficient to transmit DC long distances for several reasons (peak voltage, radiative losses, skin effect) and practical reasons (no need to keep the distant grids in phase).
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I wonder about skin affect at 60 Hz. Most AC losses are from reactance especially when dealing with under sea or underground cables. Peak voltage is a good reason. A 500 Kv AC line is really carrying 707 Kv peak. At 500 Kv AC the insulators have to have about a 50% longer path compared to 500 Kv DC.
 
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