Does Reversing the Field Current Change the Phase Sequence of an Alternator?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of reversing the field current in a three-phase alternator on its phase sequence. Participants explore the implications for both alternators and motors, considering theoretical and practical aspects of AC generators and their operation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that reversing the field current should change the phase sequence from RYB to RBY, but notes that textbooks indicate the sequence remains unchanged.
  • Another participant explains that the field current produces the magnetic flux necessary for inducing emf, and asserts that while the polarity of the phases may reverse momentarily, the overall sequence does not change.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that the question may pertain to the situation where the field winding is connected to the wrong polarity DC before the generator starts, rather than during operation.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the implications of changing the field current while a motor is running, speculating that it may cause a brief disruption in operation.
  • Another participant describes the potential behavior of a synchronous motor when the field is changed while running, suggesting it may momentarily lose synchronization or experience a hiccup.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the effects of reversing the field current, particularly regarding motors. There are competing views on whether the phase sequence changes and how motors respond to field changes during operation.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the operational conditions of the alternator and motor are not fully clarified, such as the state of the system before startup and the specific circumstances under which the field current is reversed.

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Homework Statement


A three phase alternator has a phase sequence of RYB for its three output voltages. In case the field current is reversed, the phase sequence will become

(A) RBY
(B) RYB
(C) YRB
(D) none of the above.

Homework Equations


Faraday's Right Hand Rule

The Attempt at a Solution


I think the answer should be A. As in the sequence of generator voltage must change, as we're reversing field. But books says the sequence won't change.

Even for motor it says that if we reverse field direction then motor rotation won't reverse. Can someone help as to why won't the direction or sequence change?
 
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First, can you explain what purpose does the field current serve in an AC generator?
 
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Field current produces the flux. As the poles rotate the flux also rotates and sweeps past the conductors on the armature, and this rotating magnetic field induces emf.

I get it for alternator that the sequence mustn't change. The diagram below helped. That only for an instant the polarity of R, Y, B will reverse but the sequence won't change.
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But for motor the torque I'm not sure, as the locking between field and armature flux is broken and field is reversed.
 
I don't believe the question is asking you to describe the wild excursions before equilibrium is eventually restored when a fast spinning generator is subjected to a sudden field reversal. I think the question simply involves the resulting sequence when a generator's field winding has been connected to the wrong polarity DC before start-up.
 
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Hmm... the before start up part confused me. As like it wasn't mentioned before starting. Thanks. Drawing the diagram above helped.
 
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Hi,
I'm sorry but I'm confused about winding. It's wrong i guess. Shouldn't it be like this?
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like above winding R Y B location and this new winding R Y B location. I understood in case of alternator the sequence won't change. But I'm not able to conclude what will happen in case of motor. Cause motor isn't self starting. So if I just change field nothing will happen. But what happens if I change field while motor is running? Maybe motor will experience slight jerk like for 45 degrees in above picture and then eventually go rotate in same direction.
 
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what happens if I change field while motor is running? Maybe motor will experience slight jerk like for 45 degrees in above picture and then eventually go rotate in same direction.
What you are describing is a synchronous motor briefly falling out of sync. If this happens under load, then I could only guess at the outcome: it may just momentarily hiccup, or it may be brought chaotically to a halt.
 
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