Altitude change in straight flight

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of an aircraft flying straight and level over the curved surface of the Earth. Participants explore whether the aircraft would maintain a constant altitude relative to the Earth's surface or if it would follow an arc due to the curvature of the Earth and the direction of gravity. The scope includes theoretical considerations of flight dynamics and geometry.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the curvature of the Earth is so gradual that it does not significantly impact the aircraft's flight path, asserting that straight and level flight remains straight and level.
  • Others argue that the changing direction of gravity is a reference point for "level" flight, implying it could influence the aircraft's trajectory.
  • One participant notes that air traffic control defines flight levels based on local air pressure rather than distance above ground, indicating that "level flight" refers to maintaining constant air pressure outside the aircraft.
  • Another participant posits that an aircraft with zero pitch would quickly fall towards the ground due to insufficient lift, questioning the assumption of maintaining altitude.
  • Some participants clarify that while the wings can have an angle of attack relative to airflow, the aircraft's pitch is still zero, which may affect lift generation.
  • It is mentioned that the small pitch, yaw, and roll adjustments during flight may obscure any geometric effects of the Earth's curvature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the curvature of the Earth affects flight paths significantly. There is no consensus on the implications of zero pitch for lift and altitude maintenance, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall impact of Earth's curvature on flight dynamics.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the dependence on definitions of "level flight" and the historical context of air traffic control practices. The discussion also acknowledges the complexity of flight dynamics, which may involve multiple factors influencing the aircraft's behavior.

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Hi,

Assume an aircraft starts flying to east with zero pitch and roll, would this aircraft slowly move away from Earth surface due to Earth being a sphere ?

Or would changing gravity direction or some other factor cause this aircraft to fly an arc like path which is parallel to underlying Earth surface?

Thanks!

Paul
 
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The curvature of the Earth is so gradual it has no impact here. Straight and level is straight and level.

But I suppose if it mattered, the changing direction of gravity would help, since that is the reference point for "level".
 
russ_watters said:
But I suppose if it mattered, the changing direction of gravity would help, since that is the reference point for "level".

The question obviously "matters" in terms of geometry, for long distance flights.

But air traffic control "flight levels" are defined in terms of local air presssure, not distance above the ground level. For example "Flight level 100" corresponds to 10,000 ft above sea level for the International Standard Atmosphere, but at any moment in time it can vary from about 9,000 to 11,000 feet over different parts of the Earth's surface, depending on whether it is summer or winter, or day or night, at a particular place.

The basic reason for defining it that way was historical, since all "mechanical" flight instruments work with reference to air pressure. It stiill makes sense even when location systems like GPS are available, because the aircraft's performance (fuel consumption, etc) depends on the air it is flying through, not its distance above the ground.

So "level flight" actually means "keeping the air pressure outside the plane constant", not "flying along a mathematical straight line".
 
pbaumer said:
Assume an aircraft starts flying to east with zero pitch and roll, would this aircraft slowly move away from Earth surface due to Earth being a sphere ?

Or would changing gravity direction or some other factor cause this aircraft to fly an arc like path which is parallel to underlying Earth surface?

My vote: the aircraft would rather quickly fall towards the ground. Zero pitch means zero lift.
 
The wings can be at angle of attack relative to the airflow but the aircraft is not pitched.
 
AlephZero said:
The question obviously "matters" in terms of geometry, for long distance flights.
Since a plane is constantly pitching, yawing and rolling by a small amount, any amount due to the geometry of the Earth is lost in that noise. Increasing the distance doesn't change that.
 
RandomGuy88 said:
The wings can be at angle of attack relative to the airflow but the aircraft is not pitched.
As well, if the zero point for angle of attack is geometrically defined, the wing will have lift even at zero angle of attack.
 

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