News Americans are culturally inferior

[shonagon53]

Shadow?

I think it is no use to sum up all countries who have some "bad affair" with the US for some particular reason. I mean, virtually ALL countries on the planet have bad experiences with the US.

The poll is very representative.

 

[Shadow]

Shonogon, under the first amendment of the Constitution of the United States, you have freedom of speech and although you are not American, I am and I am going to act it. Think what you like, post what you like, because it is your right.

 

[Kerrie]

Originally posted by LURCH
It is within these freedoms that the chief cause of American "segregation" may lie. Although it is true that enforced segregation has been outlawed in the United States, the freedom of the individual to self-determination remains very important. Therefore, if a white supremacist, or a Black Panther, or Muslim extremist is unwilling to interact with members of other races or beliefs, they will not be forced to do so. If a person from a different culture finds the adaptation to America's "melting pot" culture to difficult or undesirable, they also will not be forced.

Groups of such people may form their own communities, so that they may have others "of their own sort" with whom to interact. The formation of such communities could be said to constitute a sort of self-imposed segregation. Though the practice is seen as quite distasteful by most Americans, the only way to eradicate it completely would be the removal of individuals' personal freedoms.

I find it quite ironic that our culture of tolerance has put us in this position. Now, if we wish to live up to our own ideals, we must be tolerant of intolerance!

i agree with what you are stating here as a consequence of our freedoms of speech, ability to better yourself without the limitations of a caste system, freedom to choose a religion (or not), and even the opportunity to challenge the justice system...no society or culture will be perfect, however what America does strive for is liberty and justice for all...

 

[shonagon53]

Originally posted by Shadow
Shonogon, under the first amendment of the Constitution of the United States, you have freedom of speech and although you are not American, I am and I am going to act it. Think what you like, post what you like, because it is your right.

Sorry, I prefer my own constitution, which guarantees more freedoms than yours. You have Patriot Act I and II, which are really fascist Patriottismus Akten. Your freedom is very much limited.
Although you are not European, I am and I am going to act like it. Think what you like, post what you like, because it is your right.

lol

 

[Shadow]

Sorry, I prefer my own constitution, which guarantees more freedoms than yours. You have Patriot Act I and II, which are really fascist Patriottismus Akten. Your freedom is very much limited.

Yes snobby stuck up Europeans indeed windy. Shonogon I highly doubt that you have even read our constitution.

 

[Shadow]

OH and by the way shonogon your dead wrong. And you are a liar. Not every country has had bad experiences with the US so I don't know what your talking about. ANd that "russoa played a more important role in WWII" is a bunch of crap. Trying to save ungrateful france and people like you. bah humbug.

About France, I can tell you quite a lot about the country. I have lived there on and off for about half my life (I'm half french).

Whoopi your half french. I'm 25% french, one of my parents is 50% and one of their parents is 100%. Big whoop. I don't think it is anything to be proiud of. Ashamed of is more like it. How can anyone take pride in how France has behaved. Normandy is the only place that has some sense. And they don't believe the french presidents anti american lies.

 

[Monique]

Originally posted by Windy
And should I even bother to mention that the US is inherently superior to Europe because it was built on a foundation of equality and democracy? WE didn't have crutches like the feudal system. LOL you Europeans are a joke. You're weak, you're poor, you're flawed, and you feel good about your "culture".

HA HA HA ROFLMFAO

This is starting to turn into a very childish 'I am better than you, no I am, no I am, no I am, you are stupid, no you are, no you are' etc discussion.

As was said before, no-one is better than another but there certainly are differences between countries in the way they handle things. The Americans think the Europeans are snobby, the Europeans think the Americans are arrogant.. that is not exactly how a world-economy is run right?

Bold statements like that are not going to enlighten anyone. True, the image of the US is damaged right now, but you have the choice of voting for a government that will take action and either improve the relation with the US or will become independent of the US.

And Windy, just to enlighten you about the politics in Europe: allmost (if not all?) countries have a political system based on democracy and where I come from certainly on equality and freedom of speech, even more so than I have seen in the States (the number of strikes and demonstrations that go on in the Netherlands is quite high).

The dutch economy was actually a feature item in the Economist last year (you know, that American journal) where they celebrated the Dutch 'polder economy' and how it was the model for other countries to adapt.. the article was about 16 pages long.. Ofcourse, we all know that the government painfully but courtseously resigned over a political issue regarding a military action that happened a few years earlier in Srebrenica, which sent the economy in a downward spiral. Politics is fluids, it's dynamical. Sometimes times things are good, sometimes they go bad, the same is happening everywhere and anywhere.

So don't say we are weak, poor, flawed, if you don't actually give an argument supporting those statements, discussions are made with arguments not statements.

 

[Monique]

btw, let me just say that there are so many strikes and demonstrations in the Netherlands not because we live and work in poor conditions, but it is inheritantly dutch to complain about our welfare and we like to take things in our own hand to get attention :)

We actually take pride in that and it is a well published fact too :p If you wonder where, there is a book called the Undutchables, written by non-dutch outsiders, so I guess it is an independent observation.

Anyway, that just on the side.

 

[Monique]

From the Economist::


A place in the world
Who would argue with the Dutch?
(From The Economist print edition) May 4th 2002

The rule of common sense
From public services to social policies, the Dutch are consummate pragmatists
(From The Economist print edition) May 4th 2002

A fine place to be
Dutch business is outward-looking and open to new ideas. But further liberalisation would help
(From The Economist print edition) May 4th 2002

Model makers
For two decades, the Netherlands' “polder model” seemed to be working miracles. Now the shine has worn off. But the Dutch still have plenty going for them, argues John Peet
(From The Economist print edition) May 4th 2002

Small but perfectly formed
There are more countries in the world than there ever have been before. So is it better nowadays to be a small nation than a big one?
(From The Economist print edition) Jan 3rd 1998

*Snobbishly puts the nose in the air and awaitens to catch high winds*

 

[BoulderHead]

Americans are culturally inferior

I don’t think in terms of one culture being better than another. Different groups of people find different ways to exist together and develop according to their own unique design. Those within a particular group are likely to view their own culture as superior to all others anyway, so for me the question of superiority/inferiority is meaningless, and any attempted slam of Americans (or another group) I would view as a pathetic joke.

 

[Monique]

Originally posted by BoulderHead
I don’t think in terms of one culture being better than another. Different groups of people find different ways to exist together and develop according to their own unique design. Those within a particular group are likely to view their own culture as superior to all others anyway, so for me the question of superiority/inferiority is meaningless, and any attempted slam of Americans (or another group) I would view as a pathetic joke.

Very true, we could better look at the others' strenghts and try to improve our own inperfections..

 

[BoulderHead]

Originally posted by Monique
Very true, we could better look at the others' strenghts and try to improve our own inperfections..

A most excellent idea. Differences help us to learn.

 

[russ_watters]

Originally posted by shonagon53
First, about the quotes, I think that's a detail, right?... Wether I put this in quotations or not, doesn't change the fact.

Kat had it right. My issue isn't with your grammar, its with quotes around things that aren't quotes. Thats called a LIE. I have a real problem with lies.

Again, the conclusions you reached are not supported by anything I have found on that page. If you have exact quotes that support you, cite them. Very little of what you have said can actually be found on the page I linked (I'm assuming its the one you were talking about though I'm not 100% sure).

 

[Astronomer107]

Shonogon, I definitely think you are entitled to your opinion. But don't you think your ideas might be a bit stereotypical? Or does the term "culturally inferior" refer to cultures that are different from yours? America is the country of immigrants, so really, there is a great mix of cultures here. I am an American and I appreciate other cultures as well, especially the Spanish culture, among others. I'm sure your culture is also very interesting . It may help if you gave Americans a chance. By the way, I don't think your native language is the language of the future, unless it is mathematical, which is the true language of the future.

 

[Astronomer107]

Originally posted by shonagon53


So, long live a strong EU and a more humble USA!

The United States will not be a superpower forever. Just like the Roman Empire, Spain, France, Germany, and even Russia backed down in power, the United States will be less powerful as well. It would be more beneficial for the entire world if people could put aside their differences and share equal power, but unfortunately, we don't live in this world. But, maybe after we get out of this political (and scientific, philiosophical, and theological) adolescence (if we survive), then we can all work together towards a common goal.

 

[pace]

Originally posted by shonagon53
Americans are culturally inferior

I don't know if it could be possible to answer that question.

Before I could make up such a decision as whether america's culture is inferior or above, I would have to divide culture in two aspects:

Broad, and Deep.

Talking broad America probably has the most diversed and variated culture going on in the world, and you gotto admit it, we're all watching it excitedly!

Talking Deep (Rooted):

Originally posted by Kerrie

as far as our inferior culture, we are only a little over 200 years old

America is still young, and you still got a way to go. Sorry.

Mixing Time(Deep) with Substance(Broad) is rather hard.

 

[shonagon53]

Boulderhead,
you're right, I like that idea of a moderate relativism.
However, the world is an interconnected place, and different cultures interact.
When one culture becomes the target for all other cultures, something is obviously happening.

That's all I was referring to.

So the question is, what do we do with the American Empire. I think it is a question every world citizen asks. Where do we go with this empire. How to live in it. How to help it abolish itself for its own good. These are the questions of our time.

That all cultures are inherently "equal" (not in a moral sense, but in the sense that you can't really compare them because they're simply different), is stating the obvious, I think.

Again, the question becomes different when we see that one culture is being perceived by all others, as a threat to having a good life.

 

[Shadow]

So the question is, what do we do with the American Empire. I think it is a question every world citizens asks. Where do we go with this empire. How to live in it. How to help it abolish itself for its own good. These are the questions of our time.

Oh, gee, here I thoguht the questions of our time were How can we achieve world peace? and how can we prevent nuclear war? And how can we stop the evils of dictators and tyrants?

NOT how can we 'abolish' the American "empire" (I already explained it wasnt but nothing gets through to you shonogon, you only take the answer you think is right) and you say for it's own good. I pray that the EU does not become the leading superpower, there is no good to come of it and if you cannot see that then you are blind.

 

[shonagon53]

Originally posted by russ_watters
Kat had it right. My issue isn't with your grammar, its with quotes around things that aren't quotes. Thats called a LIE. I have a real problem with lies.

Again, the conclusions you reached are not supported by anything I have found on that page. If you have exact quotes that support you, cite them. Very little of what you have said can actually be found on the page I linked (I'm assuming its the one you were talking about though I'm not 100% sure).

Sir, I'm sorry, I don't understand your problem. When I said that more South Koreans see America as a bigger threat than North Korea, I only read the results of a poll.

I'm sorry if you can't cope with that. Wether I put it in quotes or not, doesn't change the fact.

Please visit this link, and see for yourself (this is really the third and last time I ask you to do this little effort). You will see that it says: "Who is more dangerous? Q: America or North Korea?" and the answer reads: "49% of South Koreans see America as a bigger threat to peace and stability, 39% of them see North Korea as the
bigger threat".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/programmes/wtwta/poll/html/military/global_security.stm



Wheter I put this in quotes or not, has nothing to do with the subject. Please visit the link, and talk about the subject, not about details.

How is it possible that more South Koreans see America as the biggest threat compared to North Korea? I mean, this is an incredible idea--having in mind that America sees South Korea as an ally against North Korea, having in mind that America thinks everyone agrees that North Korea is more evil than themselves, while the immediate neighbours of that country see it totally differently. I means that's a disastrous poll result!

Please let's talk about this, not about quotes.











All other conclusions I mentioned here, are directly taken from the poll. Here's my method. I open the webpage, look at the results, and transcribe them in here. Revolutionary method! I know! :-)

 

[shonagon53]

Originally posted by Shadow
Oh, gee, here I thoguht the questions of our time were How can we achieve world peace? and how can we prevent nuclear war? And how can we stop the evils of dictators and tyrants?

NOT how can we 'abolish' the American "empire" (I already explained it wasnt but nothing gets through to you shonogon, you only take the answer you think is right) and you say for it's own good. I pary that the EU does not become the leading superpower, there is no good to come of it and if you cannot see that then you are blind.

Of course! Exactely! "How can we achieve world peace" is the ultimate question! That's why I started this debate. Thinking about America's role in this, is not that bad an exercise, I think.

Again, when the world sees America as the biggest threat to world peace, then the questions should be focused around the future of the American Empire, and on how to cope with it today.

World peace and the Pax Americana are virtually the same thing, today.

 

[shonagon53]

"Americans are culturally inferior" was of course just a title to get a debate going. Less virulent than "Americans are genetically superior", I think.



So please, let's focus on the original question.

How to cope with Empire, and what are the longterm effects of an imperial culture on both that culture itself, and on other cultures.

 

[Shadow]

Again, when the world sees America as the biggest threat to world peace, then the questions should be focused around the future of the American Empire, and on how to cope with it today

The biggest threat to world peace is people like you who criticize America for helping smaller countries and taking it's role as the leading superpower. Saddam had to go down, the taliban had to go down, al quedqa had to go down. Or, since you are so anti american, do you support terrorism too? We aren't the biggest threat to world peace, we are trying to make world peace. You can't have world peace with tyrants and dictators like in Iraq and liberia.

 

[kat]

Originally posted by Shadow
I pary that the EU does not become the leading superpower, there is no good to come of it and if you cannot see that then you are blind.

*nervous laugh* we've already seen what happens when Europians become super powers and it ain't pretty...in fact I dare say many of the issues in the middle east, past and present issues in the NEW Europe and definitely issues in Africa(Ivory coast, rwanda etc.) can be traced directly to actions of OLD Europe I'd also suggest that past guilt is the physicological base of which much of OLD Europes anti-Ameircan vitriol is built upon. The thought of a France-German-Russia based superpower...makes me shudder..in fact I believe I just felt the Earth tremble just thinking about it. Their combined history makes the U.S. government look like a bunch of boyscouts. If that's cultural superiority they are welcomed to it.

 

[Zero]

This one's about done, isn't it?

 

[kat]

Originally posted by shonagon53
Sir, I'm sorry, I don't understand your problem. When I said that more South Koreans see America as a bigger threat than North Korea, I only read the results of a poll.

I'm sorry if you can't cope with that. Wether I put it in quotes or not, doesn't change the fact.

Please visit this link, and see for yourself (this is really the third and last time I ask you to do this little effort). You will see that it says: "Who is more dangerous? Q: America or North Korea?" and the answer reads: "49% of South Koreans see America as a bigger threat to peace and stability, 39% of them see North Korea as the
bigger threat".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/programmes/wtwta/poll/html/military/global_security.stm



Wheter I put this in quotes or not, has nothing to do with the subject. Please visit the link, and talk about the subject, not about details.

How is it possible that more South Koreans see America as the biggest threat compared to North Korea? I mean, this is an incredible idea--having in mind that America sees South Korea as an ally against North Korea, having in mind that America thinks everyone agrees that North Korea is more evil than themselves, while the immediate neighbours of that country see it totally differently. I means that's a disastrous poll result!

Shonagon- S.Koreans don't state that they see the U.S. as a greater "threat", they state that it is more "dangerous"..subtle difference I know..but a difference none the less. It is also important to know what term "dangerous" was translated to/from in the polls, a simple study of the different linguistic meanings of the term "roadmap" as translated into other countries media and polls can be very eye opening.
I find it impacting and interesting that (according to this poll) although South Korea finds the U.S. more DANGEROUS then North Korea it also finds that U.S. presence in that area of the country "increases peace and stability". This suggest a bit of a conundrum, don't you agree?

 

[shonagon53]

Kat, "ok".

So you don't accept the validity of that statement. That's your choice.

I think it's only very obvious that Americans have a special "now-i'm-in-denial" button or an "i don't want to know" mode. Because whenever anyone points to what others think about America, there's always something wrong with either the translation, the context or the content.

I think this is dangerous. Americans have been denying way too many things for way too long, with the result that today they're the most unwelcome nation on the planet.

It's not too late. But America needs a change in its mentality. Americans need to understand that when other people say "hey, stop doing this, we don't like this", that they don't have to interpret it selfindulgently as "hey, these people like us!". Americans don't read other cultures well, that's a wellknown fact in international politics and diplomacy.
In fact, it's almost hilarious to see how different American's ideas of their actions in Iraq and the actual reality on the field are, just to give an example. Afghanistan would be another example. Vietnam another.


But a certain blindness towards others is crucial in the workings of an Empire. That's well known. Only, there's a certain treshold, a certain limit, a certain breakingpoint, when you cross that, the fall is near.

I think we're seeing America nearing that point today. Anti-Americanism is an incredibly dangerous power. It is something every American should ask questions about. But real questions. This takes courage. And I admire the Americans who dare pose these questions. Many of them just aren't up to it yet.

 

[kat]

shonagon53 "Ok"

Since your too busy declaring blindness that you obviously missed my rather pertinant question, I'll ask it again!

I find it impacting and interesting that (according to this poll) although South Korea finds the U.S. more DANGEROUS then North Korea it also finds that U.S. presence in that area of the country "increases peace and stability". This suggest a bit of a conundrum, don't you agree?

 

[Zero]

Kat, I think shonagon53's post is more relevant to this thread than your specific question.

 

[kat]

Originally posted by Zero
Kat, I think shonagon53's post is more relevant to this thread than your specific question.

Lol, I was under the impression (primarily because I was addressed) that his post was in response to mine...

Conflicting views such as displayed by the Koreans response to the 2 questions within the same poll should not be ignored when trying to dicipher a world view in regards to the U.S.. How is one "more dangerous" and yet at the same time bring "peace and stability"?
Requesting specifics on poll methodology is always a good idea, and in this case particularly important when one considers the possibility of varied methods, and terminology impacting the outcome. Understanding this and questioning isn't resorting to "now-i'm-in-denial" button or an "i don't want to know" mode." It's appropriate and neccesary, particularly when it shows conflicting replies.

 

[Zero]

Sure, Kat, but I think you are missing teh forest for the trees...amd I also think he makes a good point about the blindness and 'head in the sand' attitude of Americans, although I can't show that other cultures don't do the same thing.

 

[kat]

Originally posted by Zero
Sure, Kat, but I think you are missing teh forest for the trees...amd I also think he makes a good point about the blindness and 'head in the sand' attitude of Americans, although I can't show that other cultures don't do the same thing.

LOl, Zero, he makes 3 pages worth of post on a poll, specificly focusing on a statement concerning the "threat" that Korea feels from the U.S., specificly focusing on a statement that DOESN"T exist and then you find that it's not pertinent to point out that it is HE (not to mention maybe even THEY) who has his head in the sand if he cant' see the problems with (at the very least) conflicting statements from a country who's opinion your basing your argument on?

Quite honestly, Zero, if you can't see, much less identify the trees in the forest, the forest isn't very pertinent. Not to mention if you're busy burning the forest for fuel you might want to be able to identify the hardwood from the softwood eh?

 

[russ_watters]

Originally posted by shonagon53
Sir, I'm sorry, I don't understand your problem. When I said that more South Koreans see America as a bigger threat than North Korea, I only read the results of a poll.

I'm sorry if you can't cope with that. Wether I put it in quotes or not, doesn't change the fact...

So you don't accept the validity of that statement. That's your choice.

I say again: a quote that isn't a quote is a LIE. Stop posting LIES. I'm not sure if you are doing it on purpose and intending to decieve or if you just are blinded by your bias, but either way, your continued misquoting of that report isn't helping you prove your point.

 

[Monique]

So to correct the problem:

The poll says:

QUOTE "49% of South Koreans view America to be more dangerous than North Korea, 39% of them view North Korea to be more dangerous".

So Shonagon53, don't interpret or change the wording of the poll when you put it in quotation marks.

For reference: this is the wrong way to quote the results: "Who is more dangerous? Q: America or North Korea?" and the answer reads: "49% of South Koreans see America as a bigger threat to peace and stability, 39% of them see North Korea as the bigger threat".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/programmes/wtwta/poll/html/military/global_security.stm

 

[shonagon53]

Originally posted by kat
shonagon53 "Ok"

Since your too busy declaring blindness that you obviously missed my rather pertinant question, I'll ask it again!

Kat, I agree, I didn't read your statement carefully.

That's a strange combination indeed, although not necessary a contradiction.

They see America as more dangerous and still as a stabilizing factor. This doesn't logically imply they see North Korea as a "destabilizing" factor. Since the poll didn't ask about that, we don't know.

But it's indeed odd to see America as being dangerous and stabilizing at the same time. However, I think this ambiguity is one of the most pertinent aspects of people's relations with the US. On the one hand they admire it for many things, on the other hand, they abhorr it.









[I should have read your comment more carefully.]

 

[shonagon53]

Originally posted by Monique
So to correct the problem:

The poll says:

QUOTE "49% of South Koreans view America to be more dangerous than North Korea, 39% of them view North Korea to be more dangerous".

So Shonagon53, don't interpret or change the wording of the poll when you put it in quotation marks.

For reference: this is the wrong way to quote the results: "Who is more dangerous? Q: America or North Korea?" and the answer reads: "49% of South Koreans see America as a bigger threat to peace and stability, 39% of them see North Korea as the bigger threat".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/programmes/wtwta/poll/html/military/global_security.stm

Lol, still about that quote?

There must be a linguistic particularity about the thing. In my native language, there's not so much stress on "quotes" between "quotation marks". If I had know that this would be a crux in a far broader debate, I wouldn't have made the "mistake" (is it ok to use quotation marks for the word "mistake", if I want to stress the relativity of the term and in order to imply a certain irony? In my language we can do it this way. It's not a quote but a "hyphenation"--I'm not sure if I spelled "hyphenation" correctly.).

Ok.

So one more time. I quoted something that couldn't be quoted because it wasn't literally mentioned in the text on the webpage, so I quoted a transcription or a translation of the original message which I made up in my own mind, but which semantically equals the original message and I shouldn't have done this. I agree.

Can we now continue the discussion.

I suggest we stop talking about that regretful mistake of the quote here.






Kat is right about the accuracy of the poll. It has to be read carefully. But about possible translation errors: the poll was translated into Korean by bilingual Korean-English speakers. 11 national TV networks can't afford to make translation mistakes. And considering the BBC has a long tradition of airing and working on over 20 languages, Korean included, I think doubts about it may be a detail.

I mean, we must see things in perspective. The fact alone that such a unique poll is being organized is highly significant. Let's not waste too much time over technical details. These people are professional poll makers. I trust their expertise.


Let's now interpret the poll.

Or let's talk about why anti-American is dangerous, justified, necessary, evil or just there.

 

[Shadow]

if you want to do that, make another topic.

 

[Zero]

Originally posted by kat
LOl, Zero, he makes 3 pages worth of post on a poll, specificly focusing on a statement concerning the "threat" that Korea feels from the U.S., specificly focusing on a statement that DOESN"T exist and then you find that it's not pertinent to point out that it is HE (not to mention maybe even THEY) who has his head in the sand if he cant' see the problems with (at the very least) conflicting statements from a country who's opinion your basing your argument on?

Quite honestly, Zero, if you can't see, much less identify the trees in the forest, the forest isn't very pertinent. Not to mention if you're busy burning the forest for fuel you might want to be able to identify the hardwood from the softwood eh?

You miss my point...I think you should BOTH stop talking about it.

 

[Guybrush Threepwood]

Originally posted by Zero
You miss my point...I think you should BOTH stop talking about it.

I suppose you were referring to the pool. I can say the same thing.
I watched both the "genetic superior" thread and this one. This thread is by far an endless debate with no conclusion. So please people (and I mean Kat, Shadow and Shonagon since you are the main oponents here) tell me what do you understand by culture. Do you mean "lets talk about some pool until the world ends" or do you mean something like "let see what America gave to the world science, literature, ... compared to Europe"?

 

[shonagon53]

Lol, Europe gave America to the world...

 

[Shadow]

Not the Europe you live in, and not people like you. An Italian (Christopher Columbus) Sailed for Spain and discovered it and the British colonized it, and the Pilgrims also came over.

 

[Zero]

Originally posted by Shadow
Not the Europe you live in, and not people like you.

What is that supposed to mean?

 

[Monique]

Originally posted by Shadow
Not the Europe you live in, and not people like you. An Italian (Christopher Columbus) Sailed for Spain and discovered it and the British colonized it, and the Pilgrims also came over.

Well well, what he meant is that America is mostly made up of Europeans, not necessarily which country founded it. You know btw that New York City was founded by the Dutch? The Dutch were the first to trade stocks?

 

[Shadow]

You know btw that New York City was founded by the Dutch? The Dutch were the first to trade stocks?

Yes I do, in fact, I live by one of the oldest dutch setllements. The settlement itself is gone of course, but one building is still here, it is actually still used. It's an old church that the Sutch built. And yes, I know that they were the first to trade stocks.

 

[Shadow]

By people like you I meant that they didn't found the "New World" with his attitude, and they didn't worship him. He says AMericans are Culturally inferior and acts like he is superior? Has no one noticed this? His attitude and what he says in his posts make it clear he thinks that he is superior. So that is what I meant when I said we weren't founded by people like him, and we weren't founded by people in his area/countries anyways.

 

[Zero]

Originally posted by Shadow
By people like you I meant that they didn't found the "New World" with his attitude, and they didn't worship him. He says AMericans are Culturally inferior and acts like he is superior? Has no one noticed this? His attitude and what he says in his posts make it clear he thinks that he is superior. So that is what I meant when I said we weren't founded by people like him, and we weren't founded by people in his area/countries anyways.

I see you as trying to say that he doesn't have a right to speak because of his opinion and national origin.

 

[GENIERE]

Shadow, I believe Shonagon feels inferior rather than superior. His (her?) distasteful bias is probably due to his country being dominated by other countries during most of its existence before it was liberated by the USA.

Zero is misinterpreting you, what's new?

I see you as trying to say that he doesn't have a right to speak because of his opinion and national origin.

 

[Zero]

*edited for being off-topic and rather rude, if I do say so myself!*

 

[Zero]

On second thought, this thread is done...someone can start a new one, and try again, if they wish.