Ampere's circuital law -- Monopole thought experiment

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The discussion revolves around Ampere's circuital law and its implications in the context of magnetostatics, particularly focusing on the concept of magnetic monopoles and the derivation of Biot-Savart's law. Participants explore historical perspectives, mathematical formulations, and the relationship between electric and magnetic fields.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the didactical approach of Hecht in relation to the thought experiment, suggesting that the Maxwell equations stem from observations and mathematical analysis.
  • Another participant notes that Biot-Savart's law was formulated based on experimental results, indicating a shift in their reading focus due to this realization.
  • A third participant elaborates on the historical context, stating that Biot-Savart and Ampere derived their equations from experiments, while Maxwell later modified the equations to include the "displacement current" to resolve issues related to charge conservation.
  • The discussion includes references to specific equations, such as the continuity equation and Gauss's Law, as well as the implications of including displacement current in the formulation of Ampere's law.
  • Participants mention various classical optics texts as resources for further reading on the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of the thought experiment or the historical development of the laws. There are multiple competing views regarding the formulation and implications of the equations discussed.

Contextual Notes

The discussion touches on the limitations of the thought experiment and the assumptions underlying the equations, particularly regarding the existence of magnetic monopoles and the conditions under which the equations hold.

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Don't struggle with this thought experiment. I've no clue what Hecht is after (not only with this example for overly confusing students with some strange didactical ideas).

As all fundamental laws the Maxwell equations grew out from many observatikns and mathematical analysis. For magnetostatics, the electric and manetic field components completely decouple, and thus you can concentrate on the magnetic field only. It obeys the two equations (in Heaviside-Lorentz units)
$$\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{B}=0, \quad \vec{\nabla} \times \vec{B}=\vec{j}/c.$$
The first equation tells you that there are no manetic monopoles. The second that the vortices of ##\vec{B}## are currents of electric charges.

One can derive the solution of this set of eqs. using Helmholtz's fundamental theorem of vector calculus, finally resulting in Biot-Savart's law,
$$\vec{B}(\vec{r})=\frac{1}{4 \pi c} \int_{\mathbb{R}^3} \mathrm{d}^3 r' \vec{j}(\vec{r}') \times \frac{\vec{x}-\vec{x}'}{|\vec{x}-\vec{x}'|^3}.$$
Solve the integral for an infinetely thin wire with a current ##i##,
$$\vec{j}(\vec{r}')=I \vec{e}_3 \delta(x_1) \delta(x_2).$$
 
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That's really interesting, I thought Biot-Savart's law was formulated because of experimental results and I initially planned to read till diffraction guess I'll go for another book after this Electromagnetic theory.
 
Sure, historically Biot-Savart and Ampere have deduced their equations from experiments. Maxwell has found that the corresponding equation, which reads in modern form
$$\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{B}=\frac{1}{c} \vec{j}$$
cannot be correct, supposed electric charge is conserved, i.e., the continuity equation
$$\partial_t \rho + \vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{j}=0$$
strictly holds.

To get matters right, he realized that this problem is solved by including what he called (for reasons which are obsolete today) the "displacement current",
$$\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{B}=\frac{1}{c} (\vec{j}+\partial_t \vec{E}),$$
because then taking the divergence of this equation leads, together with Gauss's Law for the electric field,
$$\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{E}=\rho.$$
Some good books on classical optics is

A. Sommerfeld, Lectures on Theoretical Physics, vol. 4, Optics, Academic Press (1954)
G. R. Fowles, Introduction to modern optics, Dover (1989)
M. Born, E. Wolf, Principles of optics, Cambridge Univsersity Press (1999)
 
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