Amplitude of the maximums in single slit diffraction

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The discussion centers on the calculation of the amplitude of secondary maximums in single slit diffraction. Participants explore different methods for determining these maximums, including the use of phasor diagrams and intensity formulas. The conversation involves theoretical considerations and mathematical reasoning related to diffraction patterns.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the maximums using the formula for intensity and derives specific values for the first two secondary maximums.
  • Another participant suggests that the values calculated may not be correct and points out that the equations used are approximations, indicating potential inaccuracies.
  • A participant provides the 'exact' intensity distribution formula and notes that differentiation is needed to find the angles of the maxima.
  • There is a clarification regarding the interpretation of the variable ##\Delta \phi##, which was not defined in the initial post.
  • One participant explains that the phasor method may be slightly inaccurate due to the assumption of a perfectly circular arc in phasor addition.
  • References to external sources are made to support claims about the intensity distribution and the nature of the maxima.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the accuracy of the calculated maximum values, with some suggesting that neither set of values is definitively correct. The discussion remains unresolved regarding which method provides the most accurate results.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made in the phasor method and the dependence on the definitions of variables used in the calculations. The discussion highlights the nuances in deriving intensity maxima and the potential for small inaccuracies in approximations.

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Hello!

I was trying to calculate the amplitude of the secondary maximums in the single slit diffraction.
When I use the formula:
$$ I = I_0 (\frac {sin(\Delta \phi /2)} {\Delta \phi /2})^2 $$
If I take ## x = \Delta \phi /2 ## and derivate I get that the maximum occurs when:
$$ x = tan(x) $$
The first 2 solutions are x=± 4.493409 and x=± 7.72525
which gives ##I_0/I##= 21.19 and 60.68 respectively.

However, this site gives a more direct way of calculating the maximums.
They say the first secondary maximum occurs when the phasors make 1 and a half loop, and the second secondary maximum when the phasors make 2,5 loop. However, that gives a slight different answer, 22.21 and 61.68 respectively
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Why are the values different? Which one is right?

Thanks!
 

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jaumzaum said:
Why are the values different? Which one is right?
Not my area but I believe neither answer is correct! (Though they’re accurate enough for most purposes.)

I think the equations you are using are (pretty good) approximations. But there will be some small inaccuracies.

The ‘exact’ intensity distribution (if Wikipedia is to be trusted) is:$$I(\theta) = I_0 \left[ sinc \left( \frac {\pi a}{\lambda} \sin \theta \right) \right]^2$$(The ‘##sinc##’ function is defined as ##sinc(x) = \frac {\sin(x)}x##.)

You’d have to differentiate that to find the angles of the maxima. (Note the plural of ‘maximum’ is ‘maxima’!)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffraction_from_slits#Single_slit

Maybe someone with a more in-depth knowledge will be able to provide more detail.
 
Steve4Physics said:
Not my area but I believe neither answer is correct! (Though they’re accurate enough for most purposes.)

I think the equations you are using are (pretty good) approximations. But there will be some small inaccuracies.

The ‘exact’ intensity distribution (if Wikipedia is to be trusted) is:$$I(\theta) = I_0 \left[ sinc \left( \frac {\pi a}{\lambda} \sin \theta \right) \right]^2$$(The ‘##sinc##’ function is defined as ##sinc(x) = \frac {\sin(x)}x##.)

You’d have to differentiate that to find the angles of the maxima. (Note the plural of ‘maximum’ is ‘maxima’!)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffraction_from_slits#Single_slit

Maybe someone with a more in-depth knowledge will be able to provide more detail.

Thanks @Steve4Physics

That is the exact same equation I am using.

Where ##\Delta \phi = \frac {2\pi a sin\theta}{\lambda} ##
 
jaumzaum said:
That is the exact same equation I am using.

Where ##\Delta \phi = \frac {2\pi a sin\theta}{\lambda} ##
Aha! I misinterpreted the meaning of ##\Delta \phi##. (It wasn't defined in Post #1.)

So intensity as a function of ##\theta##, expressed without the '##sinc##' and ##\Delta \phi## is:$$I(\theta) = I_0 \left[
\frac
{\sin \left( \frac {\pi a}{\lambda} \sin \theta \right)}
{\left( \frac {\pi a}{\lambda} \sin \theta \right)}
\right]^2$$To find a maximum intensity we need the value of ##\theta## which makes ##\frac {dI}{d\theta} = 0## and ##\frac {d^2I}{d\theta^2} < 0##.

Assuming your solution for this is correct, we only need to explain why the 'phasor' method is slightly inaccurate.

It appears that when doing the phasor-addition, it is only an approximation (but a good one) to assume the phasors line-up along a perfectly cicular arc. But it turns out the arc is not perectly circular.

A quick search produced this (concerning the 1st two maxima). See link below for context:

“These two maxima actually correspond to values of ϕ slightly less than 3π rad and 5π rad. Since the total length of the arc of the phasor diagram is always NΔE0, the radius of the arc decreases as ϕ increases. As a result, E1 and E2 turn out to be slightly larger for arcs that have not quite curled through 3π rad and 5π rad, respectively. “​
About halfway down https://phys.libretexts.org/Bookshe...on/4.03:_Intensity_in_Single-Slit_Diffraction
 

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