An inclined plane, a pulley, and three masses

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The discussion focuses on solving a physics problem involving a system of three masses (6 kg, 4 kg, and 9 kg) connected by a light frictionless pulley and a frictionless incline at an angle of 30°. The correct acceleration of the system, derived from the equations of motion, is confirmed to be 2.1 m/s², corresponding to option B. Participants emphasize the importance of defining axes consistently across the system and correctly applying Newton's second law (F = ma) to analyze forces acting on each mass.

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Homework Statement


A system comprising blocks, a light frictionless pulley, a frictionless incline, and connecting ropes is shown. The 9 kg block accelerates downward when the system is released from rest. The acceleration of the system is closest to:

A.) 1.9 m/s^2
B.) 2.1 m/s^2
C.) 1.7 m/s^2
D.) 1.5 m/s^2
E.) 2.3 m/s^2

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Homework Equations



F = ma

The Attempt at a Solution


  1. First

    m_{1} = 6 kg
    m_{2} = 4 kg
    m_{3} = 9 kg

    \theta = 30°

    a = a_{x} = a_{y}
  2. Then, the sum of forces on the three masses

    \sum F_{x1} = T_{2}-m_{1}g\sin\theta = m_{1}a
    \sum F_{y1} = 0

    \sum F_{x2} = T_{1}-T_{2}-m_{2}g\sin\theta = m_{2}a
    \sum F_{y2} = 0

    \sum F_{x3} = 0
    \sum F_{y3} = T_{1}-m_{3}g = m_{3}a
  3. Combine F_{x1}, F_{x2}, & F_{y3} and isolate a...

    a = \frac{2T_{1} - g (m_{1}\sin\theta + m_{2}\sin\theta + m_{3})}{(m_{1} + m_{2} + m_{3})}[*]Solve for T_{1}

    \sum F_{y3} = T_{1}-m_{3}g = m_{3}a
    \sum F_{y3} = T_{1}-m_{3}g = 0
    T_{1} = m_{3}g = (9 kg)(9.81 m/s^2) = 88.29 N[*]Plug T_{1} into a and solve

    a = 2.1 m/s^2
    Or, answer B.
Is this the correct solution and answer? Did I solve correctly for T_1? I don't think it's right because the tension should not equal weight of m_3 because technically the block IS accelerating downward at this instant, isn't it?
 
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smashd, ja if the tension in the rope was the same as the weight no acceleration will take place: Very important note: Define your axis for the entire system, I see you take the x-axis for your first 2 masses as parallel with the surface so the y-axis should be perpendicular to this surface for the entire system you cannot change the axis for the 3rd mass... After defining your axis, draw the 3 FBD's for the masses, you are on more or less the right track, let's see if we can get to solution here... Do the FBD first...
 
Thanks for the input, WillemBouwer.

So \sum F_{3y} should be:

\sum F_{3y} = m_{3}g - T_{1} = m_{3}a

Then a would become after combining the forces on the system:

\frac{m_{3}g - m_{2}g\sin\theta - m_{1}g\sin\theta}{m_{1} + m_{2} + m_{3}}Which is still 2.1 m/s^2, but this is the proper solution to the problem?
 
yes, that looks better, ja as you take the acceleration as positive downward the weight force should be positive aswell... and it can't be 0 as you stated...
 

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