An inclined plane, a pulley, and three masses

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a system of blocks, a frictionless pulley, and an inclined plane. The original poster presents a scenario where a 9 kg block accelerates downward, and they are attempting to determine the acceleration of the system from a set of multiple-choice answers.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply Newton's second law to analyze the forces acting on the blocks and derive the acceleration. They express uncertainty about their calculation of tension and whether it aligns with the system's acceleration.
  • Some participants question the assumptions made regarding the tension in the rope and the definition of the coordinate axes for the system.
  • Others suggest re-evaluating the free body diagrams (FBDs) for clarity and accuracy in the analysis.

Discussion Status

Participants are engaging in a constructive dialogue, providing feedback on the original poster's approach and calculations. There is a focus on refining the understanding of the forces involved and ensuring the correct application of physics principles. While the original poster's latest calculation still yields the same acceleration, there is an ongoing exploration of the reasoning behind it.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of defining the coordinate system consistently across all masses and the implications of acceleration on the tension in the rope. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to clarify these concepts without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Homework Statement


A system comprising blocks, a light frictionless pulley, a frictionless incline, and connecting ropes is shown. The 9 kg block accelerates downward when the system is released from rest. The acceleration of the system is closest to:

A.) 1.9 m/s^2
B.) 2.1 m/s^2
C.) 1.7 m/s^2
D.) 1.5 m/s^2
E.) 2.3 m/s^2

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Homework Equations



F = ma

The Attempt at a Solution


  1. First

    m_{1} = 6 kg
    m_{2} = 4 kg
    m_{3} = 9 kg

    \theta = 30°

    a = a_{x} = a_{y}
  2. Then, the sum of forces on the three masses

    \sum F_{x1} = T_{2}-m_{1}g\sin\theta = m_{1}a
    \sum F_{y1} = 0

    \sum F_{x2} = T_{1}-T_{2}-m_{2}g\sin\theta = m_{2}a
    \sum F_{y2} = 0

    \sum F_{x3} = 0
    \sum F_{y3} = T_{1}-m_{3}g = m_{3}a
  3. Combine F_{x1}, F_{x2}, & F_{y3} and isolate a...

    a = \frac{2T_{1} - g (m_{1}\sin\theta + m_{2}\sin\theta + m_{3})}{(m_{1} + m_{2} + m_{3})}[*]Solve for T_{1}

    \sum F_{y3} = T_{1}-m_{3}g = m_{3}a
    \sum F_{y3} = T_{1}-m_{3}g = 0
    T_{1} = m_{3}g = (9 kg)(9.81 m/s^2) = 88.29 N[*]Plug T_{1} into a and solve

    a = 2.1 m/s^2
    Or, answer B.
Is this the correct solution and answer? Did I solve correctly for T_1? I don't think it's right because the tension should not equal weight of m_3 because technically the block IS accelerating downward at this instant, isn't it?
 
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smashd, ja if the tension in the rope was the same as the weight no acceleration will take place: Very important note: Define your axis for the entire system, I see you take the x-axis for your first 2 masses as parallel with the surface so the y-axis should be perpendicular to this surface for the entire system you cannot change the axis for the 3rd mass... After defining your axis, draw the 3 FBD's for the masses, you are on more or less the right track, let's see if we can get to solution here... Do the FBD first...
 
Thanks for the input, WillemBouwer.

So \sum F_{3y} should be:

\sum F_{3y} = m_{3}g - T_{1} = m_{3}a

Then a would become after combining the forces on the system:

\frac{m_{3}g - m_{2}g\sin\theta - m_{1}g\sin\theta}{m_{1} + m_{2} + m_{3}}Which is still 2.1 m/s^2, but this is the proper solution to the problem?
 
yes, that looks better, ja as you take the acceleration as positive downward the weight force should be positive aswell... and it can't be 0 as you stated...
 

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