An inequality about inner product

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The discussion revolves around an inequality involving inner products in Euclidean space, specifically the relationship |α-β||γ|≤|α-γ||β|+|β-γ||α|. Participants are exploring the implications of this inequality and the conditions under which equality holds.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to relate the inequality to the Triangle Inequality and are exploring various algebraic manipulations. Questions arise regarding the removal of certain terms and the conditions for equality.

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Some participants have offered insights into the algebraic structure of the inequality and have pointed out potential mistakes in earlier reasoning. There is an ongoing exploration of the conditions under which equality might hold, with no explicit consensus reached.

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Participants note the importance of verifying the relationships used in their manipulations, indicating a need for careful consideration of assumptions and definitions related to absolute values and inequalities.

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If α,β,γ are vectors in the Euclid space V, please show that
|α-β||γ|≤|α-γ||β|+|β-γ||α|,where |α|=√(α,α)
and point out when the equal mark holds.

Can someone help me out?
 
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This question reeks of Triangle Inequality, I'm assuming the relation: Abs(A-B) <= Abs(A) + Abs(B)

Abs(A-B)Abs(C) <= Abs(A)Abs(C) + Abs(C)Abs(B)
Abs(A-C)Abs(B) <= Abs(A)Abs(B) + Abs(C)Abs(B)
Abs(B-C)Abs(A) <= Abs(B)Abs(A) + Abs(C)Abs(A)

Abs(C)Abs(B) = Abs(A-C)Abs(B) - Abs(A)Abs(B)
Abs(A)Abs(C) = Abs(B-C)Abs(A) - Abs(B)Abs(A)

Abs(A-B)Abs(C) <= Abs(A-C)Abs(B) + Abs(B-C)Abs(A) - 2Abs(A)Abs(B)

I'm stumped about how to remove the -2Abs(A)Abs(B). :mad:

Equality if A=B=C
 
Thanks very much!

Note that 2Abs(A)Abs(B)>=0, so
Abs(A-C)Abs(B) + Abs(B-C)Abs(A) - 2Abs(A)Abs(B) <= Abs(A-C)Abs(B) + Abs(B-C)Abs(A)
thus, Abs(A-B)Abs(C) <= Abs(A-C)Abs(B) + Abs(B-C)Abs(A) - 2Abs(A)Abs(B)
<= Abs(A-C)Abs(B) + Abs(B-C)Abs(A).
It's obvious that if A=B=C the equal mark holds.
But I think there are some other cases that satisfy the the equality.
 
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How about we go from...

Abs(A-B)Abs(C) <= Abs(A-C)Abs(B) + Abs(B-C)Abs(A) - 2Abs(A)Abs(B)

to basic knowledge about numbers, e.g. 2Abs(A)Abs(B) >= 0, so
Abs(A-C)Abs(B) + Abs(B-C)Abs(A) - 2Abs(A)Abs(B) <= Abs(A-C)Abs(B) + Abs(B-C)Abs(A) which gives you what you want

Back to basics :p
 
Oh,my god!I found a severe mistake. We can't claim that
Abs(C)Abs(B) = Abs(A-C)Abs(B) - Abs(A)Abs(B)
Abs(A)Abs(C) = Abs(B-C)Abs(A) - Abs(B)Abs(A)


So, I'm very sorry to say that we didn't verify the inequality.
 
The correct relationship is

Abs(C)Abs(B) >= Abs(A-C)Abs(B) - Abs(A)Abs(B)
Abs(A)Abs(C) >= Abs(B-C)Abs(A) - Abs(B)Abs(A)

but ASAICS this leads nowhere. :(
 
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