An observation regarding pop sci books

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the structure and accessibility of popular science (pop sci) books, particularly how they transition from simpler concepts to more complex ideas. Participants explore the implications of this structure on understanding scientific topics, including the role of mathematics in conveying these ideas.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant observes that pop sci books often start at a 10th-grade level and then escalate to a 3rd or 4th-year college level, suggesting a disconnect in the progression of complexity.
  • Another participant expresses disbelief in the initial observation, indicating skepticism about the claim.
  • Some participants argue that advanced topics necessitate mathematical understanding, as mathematics is the language of these concepts, and that pop sci authors often avoid math due to editorial constraints.
  • One participant challenges the notion that advanced topics cannot be conveyed without math, suggesting that using language and analogies can effectively introduce new concepts and demonstrate understanding.
  • There is a critique of the phrase "deep level of understanding," questioning the ability to define "understanding" without relying on other concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; there are competing views on the effectiveness of language versus mathematics in conveying complex scientific ideas, and the initial observation about the structure of pop sci books is met with skepticism.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on subjective interpretations of understanding and the effectiveness of communication methods in science. The discussion does not resolve the debate over the necessity of mathematics in understanding advanced scientific concepts.

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I've read a lot of pop sci books, paul davies, lawrence krauss, leonard susskind, stephen hawking and in just about all of them the first few chapters start out real easy, almost too easy, say on a 10th grade level, then they jump up rapidly to say a 3rd or 4th year college level towards the end. Has anyone else noticed this?
 
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I believe that the more advanced topics require math for a deep level of understanding. The language in which the concepts exist is, after all, mathematics. Since pop-sci authors are nearly always dissuaded by their editors from including math, they are left to use human language to explain that for which human language is insufficient.
 
patrickd said:
I believe that the more advanced topics require math for a deep level of understanding. The language in which the concepts exist is, after all, mathematics. Since pop-sci authors are nearly always dissuaded by their editors from including math, they are left to use human language to explain that for which human language is insufficient.

I'll never grow tired of calling that mind set none sense.

It is merely concepts. Yes with language, in particular English, it is difficult to introduce new concepts. It is, as evidenced by lack of math in the "easier to understand" pop sci books better to use language, as opposed to using math to convey the concepts.

Easier still is to identify commonly known concepts and use an analogy to extend that to the new concept being introduced. Ability to do this in my opinion demonstrates a [STRIKE]strong[/STRIKE] deep understanding of whichever concept is being "reduced". By what other means do we "deeply understand" any particular concept. Such as the term understanding (wanna try and strictly define "understanding" without any other concepts?).

lol "deep level of understanding" :rolleyes:
 
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