Analyzing Dynamic Orbits: Tension, Speed, and Angular Momentum Calculations

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a physics homework problem involving a ball suspended by a cable, analyzing its dynamic orbits, tension, speed, and angular momentum calculations. The problem includes multiple parts that require calculations related to two different circular orbits of the ball.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • The initial calculations for tension, speed, and angular momentum were presented, with specific values derived for each.
  • One participant questioned how the new speed of the ball was computed, indicating a need for clarification.
  • Another participant noted that assuming angular momentum is constant leads to a contradiction when substituting values, suggesting that the new speed cannot simply be half of the original speed.
  • A later reply corrected the new speed calculation based on the conservation of angular momentum, arriving at a different value.
  • Participants discussed the method for calculating the angle between the cable and the vertical axis, with one participant providing a formula and resulting angle that was later affirmed by another participant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the calculation of the new speed and the angle between the cable and the vertical axis, as participants have differing views on the implications of angular momentum conservation and the correctness of their calculations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps, particularly regarding the calculations for the new speed and the angle, which depend on assumptions about angular momentum and the forces acting on the ball.

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Homework Statement


A ball of 10kg mass is suspended by a cable that passes through a hole in a floor. The ball rotates in a circular orbit, A, that is in a plane that is 3m below the floor. If the orbit has a radius of 1m, calculate;

a) Tension in the cable
b) speed va of the ball in orbit A
c) angular momentum about the vertical axis

The motor then draws in the cable until the ball rotates in orbit B. If the radius of orbit B is 0.5m, calculate;

d)The new speed vb of the ball
e) The angle between the cable and vertical axis
f) The height, h, gained by the ball


Homework Equations


θa - tan-1(1/3) = 18.43


The Attempt at a Solution


I am able to a-c by working out the tension as T = 10x9.81/cos18.43 = 103.4 N
the velocity √1x103.4xsin18.43/10 = 1.808 m/s
the angular momentum as L = r x mv = 1 x 10 x 1.808 = 18.08

When I attempted to do the rest of the question I got the new speed to be half of the original speed and angle B to be smaller. However in the question the image for angle B looks to be greater than angle A so I am not sure whether its just the question or if I am doing something wrong to calculate the angle. (I find the sum of the forces in the x and y direction and make them equal to each other and then find angle B). For part f I am using the conservation of energy however when I make h the subject I find that it comes out as 3 which doesn't make sense.

Can someone please help me. I have been stuck on this question for a long time and cannot seem to find where I have gone wrong.
 
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How did you compute the new speed of the ball?
 
I assumed that the angular momentum was constant so 18.08 = 0.5 x 10v and v as 0.904
 
If the new radius is half the original radius and angular momentum is conserved, how can the new speed be half the original speed? Note that if you substitute v = 0.904 into 18.08 = 0.5 x 10v, you get 18.08 = 4.52, which can't be right.
 
Yes you're right sorry. So assuming angular momentum is conserved then from that equation v = 3.616. so for part e to get the angle I used mv^2/rsintheta = mg/costheta to get tantheta = v^2/rg and theta as 69.43°. Does that sound correct?
 
Yes, that looks good.
 

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