Analyzing the Complex Function $g(z)$

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The discussion revolves around the analysis of the complex function \( g(z) = z^{87} + 36z^{57} + 71z^{4} + z^3 - z + 1 \) for \( |z|<1 \). Participants are examining the number of zeros of \( g(z) \) in relation to a simpler function \( f(z) = 71z^4 \) using Rouché's theorem, exploring the implications of their findings on the roots of the polynomial.

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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that \( g(z) \) has the same number of zeros as \( f(z) \), which is 0 with multiplicity 4, based on the application of Rouché's theorem.
  • Others question whether the number of roots refers to the total count or non-repeated roots, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the terminology.
  • A later reply challenges the validity of an inequality presented in the argument, suggesting that the left-hand side approaches 1 while the right-hand side approaches 0 as \( z \) approaches 0.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to clarify the application of Rouché's theorem, specifically noting that the inequality should be evaluated on the boundary of the unit disc, \( |z|=1 \).
  • There is a mention that the zeros of \( f(z) \) occur at \( z=0 \), which some argue is irrelevant to the overall analysis of \( g(z) \).
  • One participant points out that the lack of clarity regarding the question being addressed makes it difficult to ascertain the correctness of the provided arguments.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of the arguments presented. There are competing views regarding the application of Rouché's theorem and the interpretation of the number of zeros in relation to the functions discussed.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the need for clearer definitions regarding the nature of the roots being discussed and the specific conditions under which Rouché's theorem is applied. The discussion also highlights unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions that could affect the conclusions drawn.

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$$
g(z) = z^{87} + 36z^{57} + 71z^{4} + z^3 - z + 1
$$

For $|z|<1$.

Let $f(z) = 71z^4$.

Then $|f(z) - g(z)| = |-z^{87} - 36z^{57} - z^3 + z - 1| \leq |z|^{87} + 36|z|^{57} + |z|^3 + |z| + 1 < 71|z^4|$

So g has the same number of zeros as f which is 0 with multiplicity of 4.

Correct?
 
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dwsmith said:
$$
g(z) = z^{87} + 36z^{57} + 71z^{4} + z^3 - z + 1
$$

For $|z|<1$.

Let $f(z) = 71z^4$.

Then $|f(z) - g(z)| = |-z^{87} - 36z^{57} - z^3 + z - 1| \leq |z|^{87} + 36|z|^{57} + |z|^3 + |z| + 1 < 71|z^4|$

So g has the same number of zeros as f which is 0 with multiplicity of 4.

Correct?

Isn't the number of roots the same as the order of the polynomial? Or do you want non-repeated roots?
 
dwsmith said:
$$
g(z) = z^{87} + 36z^{57} + 71z^{4} + z^3 - z + 1
$$

For $|z|<1$.

Let $f(z) = 71z^4$.

Then $|f(z) - g(z)| = |-z^{87} - 36z^{57} - z^3 + z - 1| \leq |z|^{87} + 36|z|^{57} + |z|^3 + |z| + 1 < 71|z^4|$

So g has the same number of zeros as f which is 0 with multiplicity of 4.

Correct?

Your last inequality cannot be right, the right hand side goes to zero as z goes zero, while the left hand side goes to 1.

CB
 
dwsmith said:
$$
g(z) = z^{87} + 36z^{57} + 71z^{4} + z^3 - z + 1
$$

For $|z|<1$.

Let $f(z) = 71z^4$.

Then $|f(z) - g(z)| = |-z^{87} - 36z^{57} - z^3 + z - 1| \leq |z|^{87} + 36|z|^{57} + |z|^3 + |z| + 1 < 71|z^4|$ You should make it clear that you are applying Rouché's theorem for the disc $\color{red}|z|<1$ and that you therefore want to show that $\color{red}|f(z)-g(z)|<|f(z)|$ on the boundary of the disc. So you should have said that $\color{red}|f(z) - g(z)|<71|z^4|$ when $\color{red}|z|=1.$

So g has the same number of zeros as f which is 0 with multiplicity of 4. The number of zeros is 4. The fact that the four zeros of $\color{red}f(z)$ all occur at $\color{red}z=0$ is irrelevant.

Correct? Since you haven't said what you are being asked to prove, it's hard to know whether the answer is correct. If the question was asking for the number of zeros of $\color{red}g(z)$ inside the unit disc, then yes, you have provided the ingredients for showing that the answer is 4. But the solution could do with a good deal more in the way of explanation.
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