Angular frequency of orbiting charge in electric and magnetic fields

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The problem involves a charged particle moving in a circular orbit under the influence of both electric and magnetic fields. The original poster seeks to determine the change in angular frequency, dω, when a magnetic field is applied, given a specific relationship involving the charge, mass, and radius of the orbit.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the Lorentz force to derive the change in angular frequency but expresses frustration over not reaching the expected result. Some participants suggest that the problem should be straightforward and encourage the poster to show their work. Others question the steps taken and suggest expanding the left-hand side of the equation for further clarity.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing guidance and prompting further exploration of the mathematical relationships involved. The original poster has indicated progress towards a solution after receiving feedback, though no consensus on the final answer has been reached.

Contextual Notes

The original poster mentions potential mathematical tricks or approximations that may be necessary to solve the problem, indicating a level of uncertainty in their approach. There is also an acknowledgment of the complexity introduced by the magnetic field's influence on the angular frequency.

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Homework Statement



A particle of mass m and charge -q moves in a circular orbit of radius R about a fixed charge Q. The angular frequency for the orbit is given by \omega_0^2 = \frac{qQ}{4 \pi \epsilon_0 m R^3} A uniform magnetic field of magnitude B in a direction perpendicular to the plane of the orbit is turned on. As a result, the angular frequency is changed to \omega_0 + d\omega. Assuming that B is sufficiently small so that products of B and d\omega can be neglected, calculate d\omega.

The Attempt at a Solution



This problem has frustrated me for days, particularly as I know the answer to be d\omega = \frac{qB}{2m} I have tried using the Lorentz force with motion in a circle to try and obtain the answer, but end up nowhere. There must be some mathematical trickery, possibly with approximations, that I’m missing. Any help and hints with how to start and proceed with this problem will be greatly appreciated.
 
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This seems to be a rather straight-forward application of the Lorentz force. Show what you have done.
 
I agree it should be a straight forward application of the Lorentz force. I can see that the given answer for d\omega is half the angular frequency if there was no electric field. Here’s how I started, m \omega^2 R = q(E + \omega RB) \omega^2 = \frac{qQ}{4 \pi \epsilon_0 m R^3} + \frac{q \omega B}{m} However substituting \omega = \omega_0 + d\omega and noticing that the 1st term on the RHS is \omega_0^2 doesn’t lead me to the solution. What am I missing? Thanks.
 
Expand the LHS. What's left of the equation when you apply your observation about the RHS?
 
Solved it! I’d expanded the LHS several times, and every time I did I neglected to ignore dw^2. Thanks for your help voko, it was reassuring to know I was on the right track.
 

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