Angular Momentum and Flywheel Energy problem?

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of angular momentum and energy conversion in flywheels, particularly in the context of a car's motion and braking systems. Participants explore how translational kinetic energy is converted to rotational kinetic energy and the implications of angular momentum in these systems.

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  • The original poster questions the mechanics of how a flywheel spins when a car descends, suggesting a misunderstanding of the forces involved. They also inquire about the relationship between angular momentum and torque during precession, expressing confusion about the significance of angular momentum's direction.
  • Some participants provide insights into hypothetical scenarios and real-world applications, such as regenerative braking in cars and flywheel systems in bicycles, while emphasizing the complexity of the energy conversion process.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants sharing various perspectives on the mechanics of flywheels and angular momentum. There is no explicit consensus, but some guidance is offered regarding the principles of angular momentum and its practical applications.

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Participants are discussing the theoretical aspects of flywheel operation without a complete understanding of the physical mechanisms involved. The original poster expresses a lack of real-world experience with flywheels, which may influence their interpretations.

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Hi guys, basically i have a few questions with regards to Prof Walter Lewin's videos. Firstly, this is the video of him explaining the flywheel concept with energy involved:


My question is, why does a flywheel actually spin when the car goes downwards? how does the flywheel actually converts the translational KE to rotational KE? I'm guessing it's because of the relative motion of the air that spins the flywheel to convert it into rotational KE. However, if that is the case, wouldn't it not spin? As the air can push the wheel where it is in contact with half of it, causing both anti clockwise and clockwise moment. Am I right to say this? or have i mistaken how a flywheel works? Can't really imagine why it spins when it goes down as I have never seen one in reality..haha

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For this vid, starting from 1:10, you can see that the prof is making the spinning flywheel suspended on a string. while this was happening, why is it that he says the flywheel angular momentum which is pointing outwards, chasing the torque of the flywheel (which is perpendicular to the angular momentum direction)? This is known as precession right? In any case, i would like to know how does the direction of the angular momentum affect the motion overall, as i always thought that the direction of L (usually in the z-axis) is there for illustration purposes only since a curved arrow to indicate the rotating motion of a disk is too troublesome...

Thanks a lot guys!
 
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1. He is talking about a hypothetical arrangement, when the flywheel is SOMEHOW made to spin up when the car needs to slow down. He is not proposing any particular mechanism for that. The task is not trivial, which is one of the reasons this is not done. What is done in some cars these days is regenerative braking, where the energy that would otherwise be wasted as heat is used to drive electric generators and then stored in the car's battery.

2. This entire demonstration demonstrates that angular momentum is much more than just an arrow on a diagram. As to how it affects the motion, recall the definition of angular momentum.
 
This bicycle has flywheel based KERS...

http://www.gizmag.com/flywheel-bicycle-regenerative-braking/19532/

The Flywheel Bicycle has a continuously variable transmission in the rear hub. This is linked to a 6.8 kilogram (15 lb) flywheel from a car engine mounted in the middle of the frame. When the cyclist wishes to slow down, such as when they're going down a hill or coming to a stop, they shift the transmission to maximize the flywheel-speed-to-bike-speed ratio. This "charges" the flywheel with kinetic energy - effectively a mechanical version of what happens in an EV where a battery stores the scavenged energy.

Once they want to accelerate or climb a hill, they do the opposite - they shift the transmission to minimize the ratio. This let's the energy stored in the flywheel drive the transmission, giving the bike and its rider a boost.
 
If that's hard to follow... consider how car/truck drivers use engine braking when going down a very steep hill. They shift down the gears so that the wheels try to turn the engine faster than it wants to go. The bike puts energy into the flywheel the same way.
 

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