Angular momentum due to electromagnetic induction

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The discussion revolves around the concept of angular momentum in the context of electromagnetic induction, specifically examining the relationship between induced electric fields, magnetic forces, and torque in a loop subjected to a changing magnetic flux.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the nature of the forces acting on the loop, questioning the source of the magnetic force and discussing the implications of Lenz's law on the direction of induced currents and electric fields.

Discussion Status

The conversation includes various interpretations of the problem, with some participants suggesting that the induced electric field and current direction should be reconsidered. There is an ongoing debate about the correctness of different answer options based on dimensional analysis, but no consensus has been reached.

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Participants note potential confusion arising from the diagram's representation of magnetic field lines in relation to the loop, indicating a need for clarification on the setup and assumptions involved.

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## \frac { - d \phi }{dt} = V ##

V denotes emf.

The current is in ## \hat \phi ## direction.

Magnetic force is along ## ~\hat s ## direction.

Where ## ~\hat s ## is the radially outward direction in cylindrical coordinate system.

So, torque ## \vec \tau ## about an axis passing through the center and perpendicular to the plane of loop is 0.

So, there is no change in angular momentum.

Hence, the option (b) is answer.

Is this correct?
 

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Pushoam said:
Magnetic force is along ##\hat{s}## direction.
Where does the magnetic force come from?
 
There is no magnetic force.

Due to the change in flux, there is induced electric field.

Now, the induced current is in anti – clockwise direction according to Lenz's law.

So, the induced electric field should also be in anti – clockwise direction.

Force due to this induced electric field is ## \vec F = \int_{ 0}^{ 2 \pi R} \vec E \lambda dl ## ...(1)

Due to the symmetry of the problem, ## \vec E ## could be taken outside the integration.

## \vec F = { 2 \pi R} \vec E \lambda ## ...(2)

Torque about an axis passing through the center of the loop and perpendicular to the loop is ## \tau = \vec R \times \vec F ## ...(3)

Change in the angular momentum , ## \Delta \vec L = R ~ { 2 \pi R} E \lambda ~dt ~\hat z ## ...(4)

Now, ## d \phi = - B \pi a^2 = - V dt = - \int_{0 }^{ 2 \pi R } \vec E . d\vec l ## dt ...(5)

Due to the symmetry of the problem, ## \int_{0 }^{ 2 \pi R } \vec E . d\vec l = { 2 \pi R} E ## ...(6)

So, ## { 2 \pi R} ~E dt = B \pi a^2 ## ...(7)

From (4) and (7),

## \Delta \vec L = R ~ B \pi a^2\lambda ~\hat z ## ...(8)

So, the answer is ## \Delta L = \pi a^2 RB \lambda ## , option (d).

Is this correct?
 
Pushoam said:
option (d).
Is this correct?
Options b) and d) are the only two that make sense dimensionally.
 
haruspex said:
Options b) and d) are the only two that make sense dimensionally.
Among (b) and (d), the answer is (d).
Right?
 
Pushoam said:
Among (b) and (d), the answer is (d).
Right?
I would say so.
The diagram threw me, though. It makes it look as though the field lines are parallel to the plane containing the ring. The verbal description implies they're normal to it.
 
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