Angular speed that breaks a spinning body apart with inertial stress

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The discussion revolves around determining the angular speed at which a spinning hollow cylindrical body breaks due to inertial stress. Participants explore various formulas and theories related to tangential and radial stresses, as well as the conditions for material failure under different stress scenarios.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of two different sources regarding the location of maximum radial stress, proposing that one claims it occurs at ##r=\sqrt{r_1*r_2}## while the other states it is at ##r=0##.
  • There is a discussion on whether the body breaks if either tangential or radial stress exceeds the ultimate stress, or if the combined stresses exceed the ultimate stress squared.
  • Another participant introduces a formula for stress in a rotating disc, suggesting that ##\sigma=\frac{\omega^2*\rho*( r_1^2+r_1*r_2+r_2^2)}{3}##.
  • One participant mentions the relevance of principal stresses in determining failure, asking for a detailed explanation of how to assess whether a body breaks based on these stresses.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for knowledge about material properties and failure theories, noting that inputs to these theories often include principal stresses.
  • There is a reiteration of the need for a failure theory and a query about which criterion should be used to determine if a metal body breaks.
  • One participant points out that the question is too broad and requires specification of the metal and its state for a proper answer.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions for material failure and the appropriate formulas to use, indicating that multiple competing views remain without consensus on the correct approach.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of specification regarding material types and states, as well as unresolved mathematical steps in the discussion of stress calculations.

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How to find the angular speed, on which a spinning hollow cylindrical body breaks due to inertial stress(force)?
I found 2 sources(http://www.roymech.co.uk/Useful_Tables/Cams_Springs/Flywheels.html (last 2 equations) , https://www.engineersedge.com/mechanics_machines/solid_disk_flywheel_design_14642.htm (eq. 4) ) that offer different formulas to calculate tangential and radial stresses. One of them claims that maximum radial stress is at ##r=\sqrt{r_1*r_2}## and other one that it occurs at ## r=0##. Which one of these is correct?
Is it that the body breaks if
##\sigma_{tangential}>\sigma_{ultimate\ stress}\ or\ \sigma_{radial}>\sigma_{ultimate\ stress}##
or if
##(\sigma_{tangential}^2+\sigma_{radial}^2)>\sigma_{ultimate\ stress}^2##
 
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More generally how determine if a body breaks if I know stress tensor appllyied on that body and mechanical propetis of that body?
 
I heard that it has something to do with principal stresses. Can someone explain that to me with more details how to determine whether body breaks based on principal stresses applied on the body?
 
olgerm said:
More generally how determine if a body breaks if I know stress tensor appllyied on that body and mechanical propetis of that body?
What about simple case when it pushed from 2 sides so that the stress tensor is:
##\begin{bmatrix}
\sigma_{xx}&0 &0 \\
0&\sigma_{yy}&0\\
0&0&0
\end{bmatrix}##
How to know if a body breaks under this stress?
 
You will need to know something about the material properties (is it brittle or will it deform plastically?) and you will need a failure theory. The inputs to most failure theories are the principal stresses, so you are part way there.
 
Dr.D said:
you will need a failure theory.
Which criterion should In use to determine whether a metal body breaks into pieces or not?

Is one of these good approximation?
olgerm said:
body breaks if
##\sigma_{tangential}>\sigma_{ultimate\ stress}\ or\ \sigma_{radial}>\sigma_{ultimate\ stress}##
or if
##(\sigma_{tangential}^2+\sigma_{radial}^2)>\sigma_{ultimate\ stress}^2##
 
The question is too broad. You have to specify what the metal is and what its state is (annealed, hardened, drawn, etc.). This is not a simple question, and not the sort of thing that can be adequately answered on PF.
 

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