Answer 4x4 Determinant: a+b+c+d

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The discussion centers on calculating the determinant of a specific 4x4 matrix involving variables a, b, c, and d. Various methods were attempted, including cofactor expansion and row-column operations, but participants encountered difficulties. Sylvester's determinant theorem was referenced, suggesting a relationship between the determinant and the matrix's structure, yet confusion remained about its application. A participant recalculated the determinant using specific values for a, b, c, and d, revealing discrepancies in previous calculations. Ultimately, the conversation highlights the complexity of determinant calculations for larger matrices and the importance of careful method application.
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Homework Statement


The determinant
a+1 a a a
b b+1 b b
c c c+1 c
d d d d+1
equals =?
option : a) 1+ a + b+ c+ d
b)a + b+ c+ d
c)a.b.c.d
d)1 + a.b.c.d



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The Attempt at a Solution


[1] tried using finding the co factors...but the process becomes very length
[2] tried by row-column operations...as below , but nothing workd...
1 0 0 0 a a a a
0 1 0 0 + b b b b
0 0 1 0 c c c c
0 0 0 1 d d d d
 
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Hi archita, welcome to PF! :smile:

This forum supports LaTeX, which you can use to write equations and matrices in a much nicer format...For example, writing:

[$tex]\begin{pmatrix} a+1 & a & a & a \\ b & b+1 & b & b \\ c & c & c+1 & c \\ d & d & d &d+1 \end{pmatrix}[/$tex]

And deleting the $ signs gives:

\begin{pmatrix} a+1 & a & a & a \\ b & b+1 & b & b \\ c & c & c+1 & c \\ d & d & d &d+1 \end{pmatrix}

...Now, for your question...Hint:

\begin{pmatrix} a+1 & a & a & a \\ b & b+1 & b & b \\ c & c & c+1 & c \\ d & d & d &d+1 \end{pmatrix}=\begin{pmatrix} a & a & a & a \\ b & b & b & b \\ c & c & c & c \\ d & d & d &d \end{pmatrix}+I=I+\begin{pmatrix} a \\ b \\ c \\ d \end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix}1 & 1 & 1 &1 \end{pmatrix}

Where I is the Identity matrix...use Sylvester's detrminant theorem :wink:
 
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Then the answer would be one but that is none of the options. shouldn't this Sylvester use his theorem one row at a time?
 
JANm said:
Then the answer would be one but that is none of the options. shouldn't this Sylvester use his theorem one row at a time?

Sylvester's theorem does not give an answer of one...For two column vectors u and v of equal dimension, Sylvester's theorem states that :

\text{det}(I+uv^T)=1+v^T u

In this case you would use u=\begin{pmatrix} a \\ b \\ c \\ d \end{pmatrix} and v^T=\begin{pmatrix}1 & 1 & 1 &1 \end{pmatrix}...surely you do not get one using this?
 
gabbagabbahey said:
Sylvester's theorem does not give an answer of one...For two column vectors u and v of equal dimension, Sylvester's theorem states that :

\text{det}(I+uv^T)=1+v^T u

In this case you would use u=\begin{pmatrix} a \\ b \\ c \\ d \end{pmatrix} and v^T=\begin{pmatrix}1 & 1 & 1 &1 \end{pmatrix}...surely you do not get one using this?

Now I can see that the problem is solved! Clever Sylvester.
 
Still had my doubts. Couldn't there be a solution e: 1+a+b+c+d+ab+ac+ad+bc+bd+cd?

If I take a=1, b=2, c=3, d=4 and calculate the determinant the old way I get 46
 
JANm said:
Still had my doubts. Couldn't there be a solution e: 1+a+b+c+d+ab+ac+ad+bc+bd+cd?

If I take a=1, b=2, c=3, d=4 and calculate the determinant the old way I get 46

Then you're calculating the determinant incorrectly...using: a=1, b=2, c=3, d=4 and calculating the determinant "the old way" gives:

\begin{vmatrix} 2 & 1 & 1 & 1 \\ 2 & 3 & 2 & 2 \\ 3 & 3 & 4 & 3 \\ 4 & 4 & 4 & 5 \end{vmatrix}=\begin{array}{l} 2[3(4*5-3*4)-2(3*5-3*4)+2(3*4-4*4)]-1[2(4*5-3*4)-2(3*5-3*4)+2(3*4-4*4)] \\ +1[2(3*5-3*4)-3(3*5-3*4)+2(3*4-3*4)]-1[2(3*4-4*4)-3(3*4-4*4)+2(3*4-3*4)] \end{array}

=2[24-6-8]-[16-6-8]+[6-9+0]-[-8+12+0]=20-2-3-4=11 \neq 46
 
You are right my 46 is not just. Excel gave for the four to four matrix indeed 11 too.
So my solution e is not just and one of the four a..d is in this case.

I took (a+1)(b+1)(c+1)(d+1) +3abcd -(a+1)bcd -(b+1)acd -(c+1)abd -(d+1)abc,
a method which works for three by three matrixes but apparently not for 4 by 4.
 
thanks a ton :smile:
 
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Since this is a 4 by 4 matrix (even number of rows and columns) its determinant is the same as the determinant of the transpose,
\left|\begin{array}{cccc}a+ 1 & b & c & d \\ a & b+ 1 & c & d \\ a & b & c+ 1 & d \\ a & b & c & d+ 1 \end{array}\right\|

Swapping two rows multiplies the determinant by -1 so doing that twice gives the same determinant,
\left|\begin{array}{cccc}a & b & c & d+1 \\ a & b & c+1 & d \\ a & b+1 & c & d \\ a+1 & b & c & d\end{array}\right|

Subtract the first row from each of the other rows,
\left|\begin{array}{cccc} a & b & c & d+1 \\ 0 & 0 & 1 & -1 \\ 0 & 1 & 0 & -1 \\ 1 & 0 & 0 & -1\end{array}\right|

and, finally, expand that on the first column.
 
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So that will be Det(1:4,1:4) = a * det(2:4,2:4) - det(2:4,1:3) ?
I'll check that!...
 
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