Antibiotic effects of salvia apiana

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The discussion centers on the potential antibiotic effects of Salvia apiana, particularly in relation to its use for lung and nasal infections. Participants explore the implications of smoking this herb, the isolation of specific compounds, and the broader context of inhalation as a method of drug delivery.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant references a study indicating that Salvia apiana completely inhibits the growth of certain test organisms, raising questions about its potential as a treatment for infections.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the use of smoking in conventional medicine, noting a lack of familiarity with such practices.
  • A different participant recalls historical use of datura for asthma, suggesting that smoking plants for medicinal purposes has occurred in the past.
  • One participant questions the necessity of smoking herbs, proposing that traditional methods like ingestion or boiling may be more effective.
  • Another participant defends smoking as a method of rapid absorption, arguing it is a superior route of administration compared to oral ingestion.
  • There is a discussion about the psychoactive properties of different species of salvia, with one participant clarifying that Salvia apiana does not contain psychoactive compounds.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the efficacy and safety of smoking Salvia apiana, with no consensus reached on the best method of administration or the implications of its use.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the potential risks associated with smoking herbs, including harmful compounds and degradation products, but do not resolve the question of why smoking is not more commonly used in medicine.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those exploring alternative medicinal practices, the pharmacology of herbal substances, and the historical context of plant-based treatments.

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I found this article:
http://arizona.openrepository.com/arizona/handle/10150/185511
Heres a quote from it:
Salvia apiana was the only plant in this study to completely inhibit the growth of all four test organisms
I recently (before I came across that article) tried smoking this herb to satisfy a spontaneous urge so this gets me wondering if smoking this substance could be used to combat lung and nasal infections. I'm not suggesting anyone try this as that would be reckless and dangerous because the plant may contain harmful compounds and burning them may produce additional harmful degradents but I think its worth researching. They isolated numerous compounds from this species of salvia but the most promising one seems to be 16-hydroxy-12-methoxy-methylcarnosate. I can't find any info on this compound but I suppose we could make an educated guess on what the boiling point and decomposition point of the compound may be. I'm a chem major but I'm in no way experienced enough to make a good estimate on something like that. Any takers?

EDIT: Also, why are there not more smoked or nebulised antibiotics in use? I'd assume intravenous or inhalation would be a superior route for many infections because you avoid wiping out your gastrointestinal fauna of friendly bacteria like you do when taking them orally. I'm guessing its down to convenience. More convenient for a person to pop a pill than inject themselves. Inhalers are pretty convenient though. I've never heard of smoking being used in conventional medicine, I wonder why. Inhaling the vapour of a volatile drug compound is an effective ROA.
 
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Ah, I completely forgot about asthma cigarettes. My father told me that when he was a kid, asthmatic kids would bring datura (a plant containing atropine and other anticholinergics) into school and use them recreationally to induce a state of delerium. I suspect they are a thing of the past for obvious reasons.
 
You post some weird topics. Anyways, why do you need smoke everything. Why isn't eating it or boiling it and drink it like any better of a solution like all herbs that were used thousands of years ago ? Are you smoking it to get high or something.
 
Why not smoke it? Inhaling vapour allows the substance to be rapidly absorbed through the lungs and then carried, via the pulmonary vein to the heart, which pumps it throughout the body. Its a vastly superior ROA to oral ingestion. Cheaper than going out and buying a nebuliser. No, I did smoke salvia apiana to get high. As far as I know, there are no psychoactive compounds present in it. Salvia officianalis on the other hand contains thujone but I wouldn't particularly consider ingesting a GABA_a antagonist and 5-HT3 antagonist enjoyable.

BTW who says I smoke everything? I don't even smoke tobacco. I take the occasional bong hit of datura and belladonna every now and then but that's it. Only joking, only the profoundly deranged would ingest anticholinergics recreationally.
 

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