Apocentre and Eccentricity of a Comet's Orbit

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The problem involves determining the apocentre distance and eccentricity of a comet's orbit based on its velocity as it passes close to Earth. The context is centered around orbital mechanics and the application of the vis-viva equation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of the vis-viva equation to find the semi-major axis and question the next steps for determining eccentricity. There are attempts to clarify the problem statement and its sufficiency for solving the question. Some participants express uncertainty regarding the implications of their calculations and the assumptions about the orbit's shape.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their calculations and questioning the completeness of the problem statement. Some guidance is offered regarding the interpretation of the semi-major axis and its implications for the orbit's eccentricity, but no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem statement lacks sufficient information to definitively determine the orbit's shape and eccentricity. There is an acknowledgment of the limitations imposed by the given data and the nature of comets.

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Homework Statement


If a comet passes close to the Earth with a velocity of 38km/s, how far is the apocentre of its orbit from the Sun? What is the eccentricity of its orbit?


Homework Equations


Vis-Viva Equation:

(V)_{ecc}^{2} = GM [ \frac{2}{R} - \frac{1}{a} ]

Apocentre distance:

a(1 + e)


The Attempt at a Solution



I found the semi-major axis using the vis-viva equation, but I'm really not sure what to do next,I think I should be trying to find where the radial velocity is zero, but I don't seem to have enough information.
 
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I think I just realized what I need to do. Do I just need to plug the apocentre distance into the vis-viva equation and solve for e?

EDIT: nevermind, still stuck, just tried this and I got a negative eccentricity.
 
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PChar said:

Homework Statement


If a comet passes close to the Earth with a velocity of 38km/s, how far is the apocentre of its orbit from the Sun? What is the eccentricity of its orbit?

Is the above the entire problem statement, word for word?

As it is, the problem statement doesn't provide enough information to determine the precise shape of the comet's orbit. The semimajor axis is accessible via the vis-viva equation as you've already determined. What value did you get? What does that say about the general overall shape of the orbit? Can you at least put bounds on the possible values of the eccentricity?
 
Yeah, that's all the problem statement says, word for word.

Anyway, I got 4.02*10^{11} metres as the semimajor axis. Given that it's a comet, I'm at least assuming that the orbit is highly eccentric, less than 1, since it asks for the apocentre, but greater than, probably 0.9, but without more information it's difficult to get more precise.
 
PChar said:
Yeah, that's all the problem statement says, word for word.

Anyway, I got 4.02*10^{11} metres as the semimajor axis. Given that it's a comet, I'm at least assuming that the orbit is highly eccentric, less than 1, since it asks for the apocentre, but greater than, probably 0.9, but without more information it's difficult to get more precise.

Yup. 4.02x1011m is about 2.7 AU. 2a about 5.4 AU. Mars' orbit is about 1.5 AU, Jupiter's about 9.5 AU. Looks more like a wayward asteroid than a comet. The aphelion could be as far out as nearly 5.4 AU (assuming the comet is to survive its passage around the Sun), and could be a lot closer to the Earth's 1 AU if the eccentricity is closer to zero.
 

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