Application of derivatives problem?

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the calculation of calories burned by a salmon swimming upstream against a current. The energy equation provided requires the use of derivatives to minimize calories burned while swimming a distance of 20 miles at a current speed of 2 mph. Participants express confusion about how to properly apply derivatives to the energy equation and the time equation. Suggestions include finding the critical value of the swimming speed to determine the optimal time for the journey. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly interpreting the equations and using parentheses for clarity.
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Homework Statement



A biologist determines experimentally that the number of calories burned by a salmon swimming a distance d in miles upstream against a current v0 in miles per hour is given by

Energy = kdv^5/v − v0

where v is the salmon’s swimming speed relative to the water it is in. This means that the salmon’s progress upstream is at the rate of v − v0 miles per hour, so that the distance d is covered in a time of

t=d/v − v0

If v0 = 2 mph and d = 20 miles, and the salmon, being smart, swims so as to minimize the calories burned, how many hours will it take to complete the journey?

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The Attempt at a Solution



I really just don't understand where to start. I subbed t into the equation and ended up with ktv^5/v-v0, took the derivative of that with respect to t and got 5kv^4 but I have no idea what I really don't know where to go from there.
 
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mirs said:

Homework Statement



A biologist determines experimentally that the number of calories burned by a salmon swimming a distance d in miles upstream against a current v0 in miles per hour is given by

Energy = kdv^5/v − v0

Do you mean ##\frac{kdv^5} v - v_0##, which is what you wrote, or ##\frac{kdv^5}{v − v0}##?

where v is the salmon’s swimming speed relative to the water it is in. This means that the salmon’s progress upstream is at the rate of v − v0 miles per hour, so that the distance d is covered in a time of

t=d/v − v0

Same problem here. Obviously you mean ##\frac d {v-v_0}##. Use parentheses!
If v0 = 2 mph and d = 20 miles, and the salmon, being smart, swims so as to minimize the calories burned, how many hours will it take to complete the journey?

Homework Equations



Requires derivatives

The Attempt at a Solution



I really just don't understand where to start. I subbed t into the equation and ended up with ktv^5/v-v0, took the derivative of that with respect to t and got 5kv^4 but I have no idea what I really don't know where to go from there.

Try finding the critial value of ##v## using the energy equation. Then use that to get the time of travel.
 
Yes! I meant (kdv^5)/(v−v0).
 
LCKurtz said:
Try finding the critial value of ##v## using the energy equation. Then use that to get the time of travel.

OK, so I'm guessing I don't plug t into the energy equation in the first place? because I did that and found the derivative to be 5ktv^4
 
LCKurtz said:
Try finding the critial value of ##v## using the energy equation. Then use that to get the time of travel.

mirs said:
OK, so I'm guessing I don't plug t into the energy equation in the first place? because I did that and found the derivative to be 5ktv^4

Why are you guessing? Why not just try what I suggested?
 
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