Approximation in understanding the speed of light

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The discussion revolves around understanding the speed of light and its implications for distance, particularly in relation to objects within approximately 299,000 km from Earth. Participants explore conceptualizations of distance in space, specifically in the context of light travel time and notable celestial objects.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that light travels at 186,000 miles per second and questions if there are any notable celestial objects within 299,000 km from Earth.
  • Another participant corrects the initial post regarding the representation of numbers and clarifies that speed cannot be equal to distance, emphasizing the distinction between meters and miles.
  • Some participants mention that there are no constellations at a light second away, as constellations consist of stars at varying distances.
  • Participants suggest that objects near the Moon include passing asteroids, small amounts of gas/dust, and occasional spacecraft.
  • One participant proposes that visualizing the distance light travels in one second as "seven times around the world" may be helpful.
  • Another participant discusses the L1 point, which is closer at 1.08 light seconds, and questions its relevance for intuitive understanding of distances.
  • Humor is introduced with a reference to "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy," emphasizing the vastness of space compared to familiar distances.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints regarding the understanding of distances in space and the nature of celestial objects. There is no consensus on specific notable objects within the defined range, and the discussion remains exploratory with multiple competing ideas.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding distances and the nature of celestial objects, noting that familiarity with specific distances may vary among individuals. There is also a lack of consensus on what constitutes a meaningful object within the specified range.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals curious about the speed of light, distances in space, and conceptualizing astronomical measurements.

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Hello All,

Light travels at 1,86,000 m/sec. i.e.2,99,338 km. The distance from Earth to Moon is 3,84,400 km. Is there any constellation or any physical object (to have an idea) which is not near to moon but falls within the range of 2,99,000 km?

Just for curiosity.

Thanks
 
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When you are trying to get a feel for things, it is useful to be careful about the things you want to understand.
Light travels at 1,86,000 m/sec. i.e.2,99,338 km.
1,86,000 is three numbers separated by commas. Same with 3,84,400 and 2,99,338.
I think you mean 186,400 299,338 and 384,400... i.e. digits get grouped into threes to aid reading.

m/s is "meter pers second" ... I think you mean "miles per second" which is MPS or mi/s.
km is 1000m ... i.e. it is a distance, not a speed. A speed cannot be equal to a distance.

There is no constellation 1 light second away because constellations are made out of stars many light-years away. There is no "distance to a constellation" anyway, since the constellations are projections of the star positions onto the celestial sphere ... the stars in the same constellation may be at widely different distances.

Something that falls "within the range of" 299,000km would be anything less far away than that.

What you want to know, it seems, is if there is anything of note about 1 light second from the Earth.
The Moon is about one and a quarter light seconds out. I don't know of anything you'd find meaningful roughly 1ls out, but a graphic can help with the feel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Distance_From_Earth_to_Moon_In_Light_Seconds.gif
... I think you'll find the moon is close enough.
 
Sorry for misunderstanding the metric299792458 metres / s =1,86,282 miles/sec.

earth to moon 384,400 km=238855 miles

So, near about close to moon, except the difference amount.
 
shounakbhatta said:
So, near about close to moon, except the difference amount.

Only passing asteroids and small amounts of gas/dust.
 
If you are trying get a feel for the distance light can travel in one second, "seven times around the world" may be useful.
 
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So, near about close to moon, except the difference amount.
Yah - everything is close to everything else "except for the difference amount" =)
Only passing asteroids and small amounts of gas/dust.
I had a look to see if there were any co-orbiting thingies of note but they are all farther out.
And the occasional spacecraft .
... it seems to be a region you just pass through on your way to someplace else. Doesn;t seem to be any spacecraft with an orbit that regularly passes through that range either. Lunar probes orbit closer to the Moon.

The L1 point is closer at 1.08ls. (322000km) ... but does that help you if you have no intuitive feel for the Lagrange points?

It is usually best to get a feel for distances etc in terms of things you are personally familiar with.
"Space is big, really big. You may think it's a long way down the street to the chemist, but that's peanuts to space, listen..."
-- The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy
 

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