Arc Length of Curve: Find Solution (-2,2) to (2,4)

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves finding the arc length of the curve defined by the equation y=x² between the points (-2,2) and (2,4). The discussion centers around the application of calculus concepts related to arc length calculation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the derivative of the function and the resulting integral for arc length. There are attempts to apply u-substitution, with some expressing difficulty in that approach. Others suggest using trigonometric substitution, although one participant notes that this method has not been taught in their class. Various representations of the integral are proposed, and there are discussions about changing bounds when substituting variables.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing suggestions for different methods of integration. Some guidance has been offered regarding trigonometric substitution and integral tables, but no consensus has been reached on a single approach. Multiple interpretations and methods are being explored.

Contextual Notes

One participant mentions that their teacher has not covered trigonometric substitution, which may limit their approach. There is also a reference to using an integral table for assistance.

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Homework Statement



Find the arclength of the section y=x2 between points (-2,2) and (2,4)

Homework Equations



L = [tex]\int\sqrt{(\frac{dx}{dt})^2+(\frac{dy}{dt})^2}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



So what I did first is find the derivative of y=x2 which is y'=2x

So I put that into the formula and get [tex]\int\sqrt{1+4x^2}[/tex] from limit point 1 to 4

From this point on I attempted to do u-substitution but it didn;t seem to work.. Anyone have any suggestions o how I can get it done?
 
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Trig substitution works well here.
 
Char. Limit said:
Trig substitution works well here.

Yes, some people have told me to use Trigonometric substitution but the thing is that my teacher hasn't taught us that yet!
 
Represent it as:

[tex] \sqrt{1 + 4 x^{2}} = \frac{1 + 4 x^{2}}{\sqrt{1 + 4 x^{2}}} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{1 + 4 x^{2}}} + \frac{4 x^{2}}{\sqrt{1 + 4 x^{2}}}[/tex]

The integral:

[tex] \int{\frac{dt}{\sqrt{1 + t^{2}}}} = \sinh^{-1}{(t)} = \ln{(t + \sqrt{1 + t^{2}})}[/tex]

is sometimes quoted as a table integral. To my knowledge, there is no other way to prove except by those substitutions mentioned earlier, or hyperbolic ones.

The other intergral:

[tex] 4 \, \int{\frac{x^{2} \, dx}{\sqrt{1 + 4 x^{2}}}}[/tex]

can be integrated out by parts (and using some elementary substitutions). Good luck!
 
Well, basically here's how it works. Let's say that...

[tex]2x=tan(\theta)[/tex]

Then this is also true.

[tex]2 dx = sec^2(\theta) d\theta[/tex]

Just plug those values in for dx and 4x^2=(2x)^2 and then you have a new integral in theta.

But don't forget to change your bounds too.
 
Char. Limit said:
Well, basically here's how it works. Let's say that...

[tex]2x=tan(\theta)[/tex]

Then this is also true.

[tex]2 dx = sec^2(\theta) d\theta[/tex]

Just plug those values in for dx and 4x^2=(2x)^2 and then you have a new integral in theta.

But don't forget to change your bounds too.

Thanks for the advice, it is much appreciated! What I found out is that I can use the integral table and use this formula: http://www.sosmath.com/tables/integral/integ11/integ11.html" It is #8 of this list. Would that work?
 
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