Arc length of vector function with trigonometric components

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The discussion revolves around finding the arc length of a vector function with trigonometric components, specifically the path traced by a particle described by the equation r(t) = (c2/a)cos3t i + (c2/b)sin3t j over the interval 0 ≤ t ≤ 2π. Participants are exploring the implications of the arc length formula and the nature of the integral involved.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss differentiating the position vector to find the velocity function and express uncertainty about integrating the resulting expression. There is mention of potential connections to elliptic integrals and the simplicity of the expected answer.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on using trigonometric identities to simplify the integral, while others are questioning the implications of the signs in the integral and the necessity of considering absolute values. The conversation reflects a collaborative effort to clarify the integration process and the conditions under which the arc length is calculated.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of integrating trigonometric functions and the implications of the parameters a and b, particularly the condition 0 < b < a, which influences the interpretation of the results.

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Homework Statement


Find the length of the path traced out by a particle moving on a curve according to the given equation during the time interval specified in each case.
r(t) = (c2/a)cos3t i + (c2/b)sin3t j

where i and j are the usual unit vectors, 0 \leq t \leq 2\pi, c2 = a2 - b2, and 0 < b < a

Also, r(t) is the position vector-valued function of t. Scalar functions will not be bolded.

Homework Equations


I know that the arc length in this case is the integral of ||r'(t)|| = v(t) from 0 to 2\pi.


The Attempt at a Solution


Differentiating gives: r'(t) = (-3c2/a)cos2t sin t i + (3c2/b)sin2t cos t j.

Therefore, v(t) = √{(9c4/a2)cos4t sin2t + (9c4/b2)sin4t cos2t)} = √{(9c4/a2)cos2t(cos2t sin2t) + (9c4/b2)sin2t(sin2t cos2t)} =

√{(9c4/a2)cos2t(0.25sin22t) + (9c4/b2)sin2t(0.25sin22t)} = √{(9c4/a2)cos2t(0.25sin22t) + (9c4/b2)sin2t(0.25sin22t)} =

(3c2/2)(sin2t)*√{(1/a2)cos2t + (1/b2)sin2t} = (3c2/(2ab))(sin2t)*√{(b2)cos2t + (a2)sin2t}

And that is where I get stuck. I'm not sure what the integral of that expression is, nor do I know what I can do to simplify it further. I would say that it has no simple solution, since the argument under the square root looks an awfully lot like an integral for an ellipse, and I have heard one needs something called an "elliptic integral" to solve. However, the answer for this problem is quite simple: (4a3-4b3)/(ab). Will someone please help me with this?
 
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Hi Subdot! :smile:

(have a square-root: √ :wink:)
Subdot said:
(3c2/2)(sin2t)*Sqrt {(1/a2)cos2t + (1/b2)sin2t} = (3c2/(2ab))(sin2t)*Sqrt {(b2)cos2t + (a2)sin2t}

I'm not sure what the integral of that expression is …

Use standard trigonometric identities to write it as sin2t f(cos2t) :smile:
 
Hello! Oh! I get it now. I just use the identities: sin2 = .5 - .5cos2t and cos2 = .5 + .5cos2t after which I do a simple substitution. Thanks for that! On another related note, now it's obvious that I'm going to need to integrate it a step over the interval at a time.

[(1/(ab)) (.5b2 + (.5b2 - .5a2)cos(2t) + .5a2)1.5] from 0 to 2\pi. If I try to integrate it from 0 to .5\pi then from .5\pi to \pi and so on I come up with (2a3 - 2b3)/(ab) + (2b3 - 2a3)/(ab). I'm guessing from the answer that I am justified in flipping that last fraction around to (2a^3 - 2b^3)/(ab). However, I'd like to know why, so I'll be able to do it in the future without knowing the answer. I think it's because the arc length must be positive and so I must flip (b3 - a3)/(ab) to (a3 - b3)/(ab) because b < a? So then do you take the absolute value of the integral as you move up the interval, not the integrand, when you find arc length?
 
The reason is that you factored cos(t)^2*sin(t)^2 outside of the sqrt as cos(t)*sin(t). It really should be |cos(t)*sin(t)|. So you have to break the integral where cos(t)*sin(t) changes sign.
 
Okay, I get it all now. I can't believe I missed that... Thanks both!
 

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