Are Distinct Implications Possible with Only One Axiom?

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of deriving distinct implications from a single axiom, particularly in the context of axiomatic systems and mathematical logic. Participants explore theoretical implications, the nature of axioms, and the relationships between axioms and theorems.

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  • One participant questions whether distinct implications can arise from a single axiom, suggesting that combining axioms into one may require an additional axiom for logical coherence.
  • Another participant proposes that all axioms can be conjoined into a single postulate, implying that distinct implications are possible from one axiom.
  • A later reply emphasizes the need for specificity regarding the implications of the axiom of extensionality from ZFC, questioning whether it can yield truly distinct implications.
  • Further contributions suggest that the implications derived from a single axiom depend on the definitions and theorems formulated, indicating that the structure of implications is more critical than the number of axioms.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether distinct implications can be derived from a single axiom, with no consensus reached on the matter. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the conditions under which implications can be considered distinct.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the interpretation of implications and the structure of axiomatic systems may vary, leading to different conclusions based on the definitions and contexts applied.

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Is it possible to have distinct implications from the existence of only one axiom?
 
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Technically all axioms can be conjoined into a single postulate:

A = A1 and A2 and A3...

So every axiomatic system can be though of as having 1 axiom and the answer to your question is "Yes".
 
I know what you mean, but wouldn't you need an axiom that allows you to "combine" the axioms into one logical statement.

Anywho let me be more specific to dodge your problem then, assume you have only one axiom, the axiom of extensionality from ZFC. Can any truly distinct implications be concluded from this axiom?
 
epkid08 said:
I know what you mean, but wouldn't you need an axiom that allows you to "combine" the axioms into one logical statement.

Anywho let me be more specific to dodge your problem then, assume you have only one axiom, the axiom of extensionality from ZFC. Can any truly distinct implications be concluded from this axiom?

Wouldn't the one axiom simply encode all the information in a way like jambaugh has said? The definition through use of intersection is universal, it doesn't take context depending on the axiom or the system/constraints its describing.
 
epkid08 said:
I know what you mean, but wouldn't you need an axiom that allows you to "combine" the axioms into one logical statement.

Anywho let me be more specific to dodge your problem then, assume you have only one axiom, the axiom of extensionality from ZFC. Can any truly distinct implications be concluded from this axiom?

Again this depends on what you mean (I think your question is ill posed).

Suppose you have a system of axioms A1, A2, and A3 from which you formulate a set of definitions and prove a theorem T.

From just A1 you can prove T' = (A2 and A3 implies T).

By the same token you can start with 0 axioms and change each theorem to the corresponding contingent theorem. e.g. T'' = (A1 and A2 and A3 implies T).

Unless you get very specific about the format of theorems and axioms, counting how many you start with is not very meaningful. The math is not in the axioms per se but in the implication structure.
 

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