Are power stations wasting energy during Earth Hour?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the implications of the Earth Hour movement on power generation at power stations, particularly focusing on whether energy is wasted when a significant number of consumers turn off their electrical appliances. Participants explore the relationship between power generation, demand, and the operational adjustments of power stations during periods of reduced load.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether power stations generate electricity that goes unused during Earth Hour, suggesting this could be seen as waste.
  • Another participant explains that generators at power stations adjust their operation based on load, implying that less fuel is consumed when demand decreases.
  • A participant seeks clarification on how power stations monitor demand and adjust fuel input accordingly, raising concerns about the response time to changes in load.
  • Further elaboration indicates that the speed of generator rotation must remain constant, and automatic sensors help maintain this despite fluctuations in current draw.
  • There is a query regarding the fuel consumption of generators operating under different load conditions, specifically whether a generator with zero load uses less fuel than one at maximum load.
  • A participant uses an analogy to illustrate the fuel consumption dynamics of generators under varying loads and mentions the operational challenges of nuclear power stations during demand fluctuations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the efficiency and operational adjustments of power stations during reduced demand periods. There is no consensus on whether energy generation during Earth Hour constitutes waste, as the discussion includes multiple perspectives on the operational mechanics of power generation.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the complexities of power generation dynamics, including the time lag in feedback mechanisms and the specific operational characteristics of different types of power stations.

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Has everyone heard about the Earth Hour movement? Where you're encouraged to turn off anything that uses electricity in your home, for an hour, to conserve energy.

What I'm wonedering is: let's say that a large group of people depend on a specific power station, so when they all, or the majority, turn off all electrical appliances, what happens with the power that is generated at the power station? I'm guessing they still continue to generate electricity, and isn't it true that this power cannot be stored, so would it be right to say that the power stations are generating electricity that is just being wasted? Since for that whole hour, there wouldn't be as much of a demand, therefore the power station is pointlessly generating electricity that nobody is using for the time being?

I'm not sure if I make sense, but basically: is the power that is generated at the power station, being wasted owing to the fact that it isn't being used during the hour period?
 
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The generators at the power station become easier to turn if the load is reduced.

So, the power plant which turns the generators uses less fuel to rotate the generators at the right speed.

No unwanted power is produced and less fuel is used.

As long as the power station keeps producing the right voltage, the current drawn just depends on which appliances are switched on or off.
 
So the rate at which the generators are being turned depends on how high the demand is at the load?

But how does the power station know when the demand is high or low? Wouldn't it take some amount of time for the power station to be given some form of feed back by the load, that more power is needed, therefore they need fuel?
 
chebyshevF said:
So the rate at which the generators are being turned depends on how high the demand is at the load?

But how does the power station know when the demand is high or low? Wouldn't it take some amount of time for the power station to be given some form of feed back by the load, that more power is needed, therefore they need fuel?

The speed of the generator rotation determines the frequency of the output. This may be 50 or 60 Hz but it must remain constant regardless of load.

If this starts to decrease, automatic sensors detect the difference and apply slightly more accellerator pressure to bring the speed back to normal again.
If everyone in a whole city turned off the power at once, the power station might have a few seconds of rapid adjustment while the power from the power plant was reduced.

These are very large heavy machines, so minor changes in current drain have little effect on the speed of their rotation.

The current drawn is also measured from second to second and the mechanical power input is adjusted automatically to maintain constant RPM from the generators.
 
So if you have a generator with practically zero load and another one at near max load, both turning at the same RPM, then the one with zero load will use less fuel?
 
Yes. It's like a couple riding a tandem. The one at the back can just pedal lightly and the guy in front would just think the hill was steeper than it looked.

Nuclear Power Stations are more of a problem because (see recent news) they take a long time to shut down completely so they produce no steam.
 

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