Are These Equations for Particle and Wedge Dynamics Correct?

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The discussion focuses on the correctness of equations related to the dynamics of a particle and a wedge, specifically in the context of a physics problem involving forces and accelerations. Participants explore the equations of motion for both the wedge and the particle, addressing their derivations and potential corrections.

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  • One participant presents their equations for the wedge and particle, questioning their correctness and seeking guidance on further steps.
  • Another participant outlines the forces acting on both the wedge and the particle, providing a set of equations of motion that include vertical and horizontal components.
  • A participant suggests an alternative form for one of the equations, questioning the validity of the original equation and proposing a different approach to analyzing the forces.
  • Another participant agrees that the equations can be derived by considering motion along and perpendicular to the plane, indicating that different approaches may yield consistent results.

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Participants express differing views on the correctness of specific equations and the methods used to derive them. There is no consensus on the validity of the proposed equations, and multiple competing views remain regarding the correct approach to the problem.

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Participants reference specific angles and forces without resolving the assumptions underlying their equations. The discussion includes various interpretations of the forces acting on the wedge and particle, which may depend on the chosen coordinate system.

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im stuck on question 8. the equation i got for the wedge is .6R -.5S=ma r stands for relative force of the particle s stands for relative force of the wedge . i got the equation 4mg-R=5m(.6a) for the particle where a stands for acceleration of the wedge. does anyone know where to go from here. are my equations wrong? i can post a picture of my diagram if anyone needs it
 

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The forces acting on the wedge are mg, friction, S the normal reaction between the wedge and the surface, and R the normal reaction between the wedge and the particle.
The forces actin on the particle are 5mg and R the normal reaction between the wedge and the particle
I have called α the angle with tan(α) = 3/4
If we call the acceleration of the wedge a then the equations of motion for the wedge are
1) vertically S = mg + R cos(α)
2) horizontally ma = R sin(α) - 0.5S

The equations of motion for the particle are
3) Horizontally 5m(bcos(α) - a) = Rsin(α) since bcos(α) - a is the total acceleration in this direction
4) Vertically 5mbsin(α) = 5mg - Rcos(α)

Eliminating S from 1) and 2) gives R = 5ma +2.5mg

Eliminating b from 3) and 4) gives 4mg - 3ma = R

Equating the two above expressions for R gives a = 3g/16

Substituting in 4 then gives b = 3g/4
 

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can equation 3 also be 5m(b-.8a) = 3mg
and also i don't understand equation 4 5mbsin(α) = 5mg - Rcos(α) should it not be 4mg-R=5m(.6a) are you not supposed to look at the forces horizontal and vertical to the plane
 
markosheehan said:
can equation 3 also be 5m(b-.8a) = 3mg
and also i don't understand equation 4 5mbsin(α) = 5mg - Rcos(α) should it not be 4mg-R=5m(.6a) are you not supposed to look at the forces horizontal and vertical to the plane

To obtain my equations 3) and 4) I looked at the motion vertically and horizontally but you can certainly also look at motion along the plane and perpendicular to the plane. I believe your equations are correct for motion resolved the second way and these should also lead to the same solutions.
 

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