Assassination of The Arab 'Pope'

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History

Israelites, a Semitic people, apparently of nomadic origin, whose emergence in the Levant is identified with a shift of settlement at the start if the Iron Age (c. 1200 bc), when a new pattern of small villages dispersed in upland regions replaced the urban life of the Bronze Age. Explanations for this process range from the nomadic invasion thesis (derived from Biblical accounts in Exodus) to settlement of indigenous populations of nomads and brigands, to social revolution by the urban lower classes at the end of the Bronze Age. The Israelites' conquest of areas occupied by the Canaanites brought them into an ultimately successful conflict with the Philistines. The major building works carried out under the united kingdom belong to the reign of Solomon. The northern kingdom of Israel (see Samaria) was conquered by the Assyrians in the late 8th century BC, while the southern kingdom of Judah was reduced by the Babylonians in the early 6th century BC. See also Jerusalem.

Jerusalem, a city in the Judaean hills, Israel, which has been occupied for thousands of years and which has been excavated virtually continuously since the 1860s. Comparatively little remains of ancient Jerusalem, chiefly because of the repeated destructions suffered by the city (e.g. that of Titus in 70 AD) and later Byzantine and Islamic overbuilding. The first major construction at Jerusalem seems to have been the stone fortifications of the late Bronze Age. Jerusalem was captured by the Israelites under Davin in c.996 BC and extended to the north by Solomon, who built a temple and palace in an area later overbuilt by the Herodian temple platform, and by Hezekiah, whose water tunnel is still visible. Jerusalem was patronised by the Byzantine emperors beause of its Christian associations and by Islamic caliphs as a holy city. Most of the walls to be seen at Jerusalem are the work of Suleiman the Magnificent (1538-41 AD) on top of Herodian and Roman foundations, while the octagonal 'Dome of the Rock' (685-692 AD) is the most striking of the Islamic buildings in Jerusalem.

Canaanites, an ethnic group identified with the sophisticated urban civilisation of the Levant during the Bronze Age (see Hazor, Jericho, Lachish, Beit Mersim). The Canaanites were dislodged from much of their territory by the Israelites and Philistines, but much of their culture persisted among the Phoenicians.

Phoenicians, a Semitic people, the cultural heirs of the Canaanites, who flourished as traders from their ports of Byblos, Sidon, and Tyre during the 1st millennium BC. They are credited with the founding of Carthage and the invention of the alphabet.

Philistines, one of the Sea Peoples whose occupation of southern Palestine marks the beginning of the Iron Age in that region. The five chief cities of the Philistines (the 'Pentapolis') were Ashkelon, Ashdod, Gaza, Gath, and Ekron.

General:
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http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/9a798adbf322aff38525617b006d88d7/025974039acfb171852560de00548bbe [Broken]!OpenDocument

History:
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http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/561c6ee353d740fb8525607d00581829/d442111e70e417e3802564740045a309 [Broken]!OpenDocument
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http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/561c6ee353d740fb8525607d00581829/40af4c8615bc9837802564740046f767 [Broken]!OpenDocument

UN Resolutions:
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Maps:
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The diary of Rachel Corrie:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,916246,00.html

Other stuff of interest:
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http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/B6E27ADF-9E5B-45CD-A4CD-403A3BCF3D39.htm [Broken]
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/EE06A7BC-F8D2-4CE9-8A9F-DC2A62B2C133.htm [Broken]
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/D8B2E59A-F705-48A7-B6F7-588E9F37B5B9.htm [Broken]
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/67979658-79FE-4CD1-83A4-7D378A081848.htm [Broken]
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http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/AE871B47-A5D9-428E-B8E5-26E52D387622.htm [Broken]
http://news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,5856444%255E401,00.html [Broken]
http://electronicintifada.net/forreference/keyfigures/sharon.html [Broken]
 
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Originally posted by phatmonky
here is what this holy man has instigated, planned, and sanctioned - and this is JUST since there was suppposedly going to be peace from Oslo:

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Terrorism/TerrorAttacks.html
I am wonderfully glad this man is dead! Sadly, I can't say I agree with the way Israel went with this. It doesn't bring them closer to peace, but I find it apalling to all of those who thing of this man as a holy man.
Even if all of this is true, then that STILL doesn't justify his murder in this way. He should have been arrested, tried in an oper court (with all the rules and so on) and he should only have been punished AFTER he had been found guily be an impartial judge (or jury, I have no idea how the Israeli law-system works). The Israeli's even did this for some of the WW2 Nazi's that they abducted and brought back to Israel: only after a trial were they sentenced (and excecuted).

The day that the gouvernment can take the law fully into their own hands is the day that the people lose the law...


Note: I am in no way condowning attacks on others, Israeli or Palastinians alike.
 
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Originally posted by suyver
Even if all of this is true, then that STILL doesn't justify his murder in this way. He should have been arrested
This is a wonderful method, when it is possible. Of course in reality serving the warrant would have meant going into gaza city with troops and guns blazing and then of course the unfortunate deaths of possibly hundreds of Arabs. That would leave them right where they are now, being blasted with international hypocritical anti-semitical outrage, expecting the joooos to accept what no other country in their right mind would accept and doing nothing at all about it lest it offend the sensibilities of the hypocrit arabs and euuuuropians.
 
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So, is it justified for Israeli troops to engage in terrorist activities to kill terrorists? I think that's the real question.
 
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Originally posted by kat
This is a wonderful method, when it is possible. Of course in reality serving the warrant would have meant going into gaza city with troops and guns blazing and then of course the unfortunate deaths of possibly hundreds of Arabs. That would leave them right where they are now, being blasted with international hypocritical anti-semitical outrage, expecting the joooos to accept what no other country in their right mind would accept and doing nothing at all about it lest it offend the sensibilities of the hypocrit arabs and euuuuropians.
Interesting... the Palastinians seem to have a legitimate claim against Sharon for possible genoside (I think from somewhere in the beginning of the 1980's). So, according to you they should just buy some gunships and blast him - and maybe a few of his children and some bystanders too - when he leaves a Jewish house of worship?

Evil begets evil...
 
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Originally posted by suyver
Interesting... the Palastinians seem to have a legitimate claim against Sharon for possible genoside (I think from somewhere in the beginning of the 1980's).

I'm assuming you're referring to shabra and shatila. Sharon's role was far less direct then Yassin's has been, and in fact little attention is paid to the responsibility of the Phalange and Syria in Shabra and Shatila. Sharon's guilt in this is on par with the U.N. when they were given the duty of protecting refugess on numerous occasions yet allowed them, either through ignorance or neglect, to be slaughtered. When you try the U.N. for Genocide then maybe you should put Sharon on trial with them. But..this is probably a better debate for another thread, if you'd like.

So, according to you they should just buy some gunships and blast him - and maybe a few of his children and some bystanders too - when he leaves a Jewish house of worship?
When Israel stops putting on trial and imprisoning those people who are their responsibility who murder, or attempt to blow up innocent arabs then you might have a parallel example.

We've been down this road on this forum many times, I don't buy your moral equivelency crapola.

This is the reality:

1. The PNA is treaty bound to extradite these guys to Israel.
2. The PNA not only refuses to extradite, it arms and supports them at every level.
3. They have and will continue to bomb Jews until they are stopped.
4. To go in and arrest isn't just sending 2 cops around to serve a warrant. As I said, it would require a full scale invasion and the deaths of hundreds, to serve a warrant on one murderous sharmuta.
5. So, the GOI kills them instead.

If you don't like step 5, that's fine. Suggest an alternative because they've been at stage 4 for years, despite trying numerous approached and under numerous political leaders and yet they keep having to bury the bits and pieces of their children and elderly.



Evil begets evil...
That's a load of crap. Evil has no problem coming in amongst innocence and slaughtering it.

The bottom line is, until you can come up with an alternative you're part of the problem.

Of course by the looks of it we might have a very good oppurtunity to witness other alternatives as we see how other countries deal with this in the coming year. I think by comparision the Israeli's will look good, not that it will stop the barrage of criticism. The world just wouldn't be the same if they weren't hyper critical of the Joooooos while they themselves have done and are using similar and even more extreme measures.
 
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I choose to stop responding in this thread to prevent too emotional reactions / flamewars / ... (this certainly applies to me as well!).
 

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