At what distance is the gravitational pull balanced

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The discussion focuses on calculating the distance from Titan where its gravitational pull balances that of Saturn. The key equation used is the gravitational force equation, G*M/r^2, applied to both Titan and Saturn. Participants clarify the variables, emphasizing the need to differentiate between the masses and distances involved. A calculation is presented that leads to determining the balance point's distance, with considerations about whether to include Titan's radius in the final distance. The conversation highlights the importance of diagramming the scenario to visualize the gravitational balance point effectively.
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Homework Statement


On December 25, 2004, the Huygens probe separated from the Cassini spacecraft orbiting Saturn and began a 22 day journey to Saturn's giant moon Titan (see the figure below (Figure 1) ), on whose surface it landed. It is useful to know that Titan is 1.22×106 km from the center of Saturn and has a mass of 1.35×1023 kg and a diameter of 5150 km . At what distance from Titan should the gravitational pull of Titan just balance the gravitational pull of Saturn?

Homework Equations


Ms=1.35*10^23
R=2575km=2575000m
Dt(Distance from titan)=?
Ds(Distance from saturn)=1.22*10^6

G*M/r^2=G*M/r^2

The Attempt at a Solution


G*(1.35*10^23)/(2575000)=
 
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a97e said:

Homework Statement


On December 25, 2004, the Huygens probe separated from the Cassini spacecraft orbiting Saturn and began a 22 day journey to Saturn's giant moon Titan (see the figure below (Figure 1) ), on whose surface it landed. It is useful to know that Titan is 1.22×106 km from the center of Saturn and has a mass of 1.35×1023 kg and a diameter of 5150 km . At what distance from Titan should the gravitational pull of Titan just balance the gravitational pull of Saturn?

Homework Equations


Ms=1.35*10^23
R=2575km=2575000m
Dt(Distance from titan)=?
Ds(Distance from saturn)=1.22*10^6

G*M/r^2=G*M/r^2

The Attempt at a Solution


G*(1.35*10^23)/(2575000)=
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G*(1.35*10^23)/(2575000)^2=G*(mass of saturn)/(d)^2 ??
I'm not sure what to do with the distance from saturn to the moon or if it is multiplied by the mass of saturn. I'm really confused
 
a97e said:
G*M/r^2=G*M/r^2
This is the key equation, but use different variables for the two different masses and distances. Try again? :smile:
 
G*M/r^2= G*m/(d)^2 where M is the mass of the moon, r is the radius of the moon, m is the mass of Saturn and d is the distance between them?
So,
G's cancel
(1.35*10^23)/(2575000)^2= (5.68*10^26)/(d)^2
d^2= (5.68*10^26)*(2575000)^2 /(1.35*10^23)
d= sqrt(2.78977*10^16)
d=167026167.8
 
a97e said:
G*M/r^2= G*m/(d)^2 where M is the mass of the moon, r is the radius of the moon, m is the mass of Saturn and d is the distance between them?
So,
G's cancel
(1.35*10^23)/(2575000)^2= (5.68*10^26)/(d)^2
d^2= (5.68*10^26)*(2575000)^2 /(1.35*10^23)
d= sqrt(2.78977*10^16)
d=167026167.8

Oh wait, is it d+radius of the moon?
 
a97e said:
Dt(Distance from titan)=?
Ds(Distance from saturn)=1.22*10^6
I assume you are defining Dt as the distance from Titan to the point where the fields balance. The given distance 1.22*10^6km is from Titan to Saturn. In terms of these, how far is it from Saturn to where the fields balance?

When you have answered that, what is the field due to each at that point?
 
haruspex said:
I assume you are defining Dt as the distance from Titan to the point where the fields balance. The given distance 1.22*10^6km is from Titan to Saturn. In terms of these, how far is it from Saturn to where the fields balance?

When you have answered that, what is the field due to each at that point?
So it's d+1.22*10^6 instead of d?
 
a97e said:
So it's d+1.22*10^6 instead of d?
Draw a diagram. Show the centre of Saturn, S, the centre of Titan, T, a circle around Titan radius r, and a point where the two gravitational fields balance, P. Let the distance ST be Ds.
Where, roughly speaking, is P in relation to ST?
If the distance SP is x, what is the distance TP?
 
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