Attitudes towards employing researchers over 35 year in Europe

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The discussion revolves around the eligibility criteria for employing researchers in Europe, specifically the age restriction of not being older than 35 years for certain academic positions, such as assistant professorships. Participants explore the implications of this restriction and its potential impact on career transitions and opportunities in academia.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the age restriction for academic positions, citing a specific case of a friend who cannot apply due to being over 35 despite having relevant experience and qualifications.
  • Another participant questions the clarity of the original inquiry and suggests that the age restriction may not be universally applied across all European institutions, noting that many universities have varying criteria.
  • A third participant acknowledges the age restriction and emphasizes the need for more context to understand its implications.
  • One participant proposes that the age limit may be tied to grant funding aimed at promoting younger researchers, suggesting that this does not imply a lack of opportunities for those over 35, but rather a limitation for specific positions.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential for ageism in academia, with a suggestion that such practices could be legally challenged.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the reasons behind the age restriction, with differing views on its implications and the universality of its application across European institutions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the justification and fairness of such criteria.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the lack of specific details regarding the institutions in question and the potential variability in hiring practices across different countries in Europe. There is also an acknowledgment of the need for further information to fully understand the context of the age restriction.

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I am reading about the eligibility criteria in order to employ researchers they ask non older than 35 years old and also if you want to apply for an assistant professor.
I just do not understand why.
I know someone who had almost 5 years before university a job and switched the professional career to another by attending the university, Bachelor, Master, PhD and now due to the age cannot apply to any of these position. and I try to understand why this restriction.
 
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You haven't actually asked a question. Sorry. Maybe the question is implied but not specific at all.

If you are asking why your friend did not receive an academic position at a specific institution then did he only apply to that institution?

Also where specifically in Europe? I am certain most of Western Europe would be pretty open to variances in ages of employees. I think just about every university website that I have looked at across Europe (mainly Holland, France, Germany, Beligum, Sweden) has had a portal for potential employees. For some universities I have seen that they even require professional experience.
 
It looks like he asked a question to me. He/she claims they will not accept applications for assistant professorship from those over 35. His/her question is why.
 
It's difficult to answer questions like this without further details. What worries me is that it's promoting an idea that you're washed up if you can't get an academic position by age 35 - which to the best of my knowledge isn't the case. (Although, for the record, I know very little about the european system.)

One possible explanation is that the specific positions may be funded by grants that have been established to promote new or "young" investigators - which I've seen defined as under 35 or so. In that case, being over 35 doesn't mean you can't get A job as a researcher, but it means that you don't qualify for THAT job, because the funding can't be awarded to you. The reason such funding initiatives exist is largely part of the recognition that it's difficult for newcomers to compete for large grants with established researchers, depsite having new and innovative ideas that are worth pursuing.

In the worst case scenario, this would be an example of agism, which unfortunately does exist, but can be challenged on legal grounds.
 

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