Atwood's machine with 3 masses

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The problem involves an Atwood's machine with three masses: two on one side of a pulley and one on the other. The setup includes a 2kg and a 3kg mass on the left side, connected by a cord, and a 6kg mass on the right side. The goal is to determine the tension in the string between the two left-side masses.

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  • Participants discuss the equations of motion for each mass and the relationships between tensions and gravitational forces. Some participants question the completeness of the equations used, particularly regarding the inclusion of gravitational forces.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the equations governing the system, with some participants providing corrections to earlier attempts. One participant expresses satisfaction after addressing a previously overlooked detail, while another suggests a method of simplifying the problem by summing the equations to find acceleration.

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Homework Statement


A pulley is massless and frictionless, 2kg, 3kg, and 6kg masses are suspended. The 2 and 3 kilogram masses are suspended on the left side of the pulley (the 2 kilogram mass on the bottom) and are connected by a cord of negligible mass that does not stretch(T1), the 6kg mass is suspended on the right side and is connected around the pulley via a cord of negligible mass that does not stretch (T2). Down is the positive direction on the right side, up is positive on the left. what is the tension on the string between mass 1 and mass 2.


Homework Equations


Fnet=ma



The Attempt at a Solution


Sorry there's not a picture. I did not have anywhere to host it.

I drew free body diagrams for each mass and came up with the Fnet equations for each. I assume we're only working with y accelerations.
m3g-T2=m3a
T2-T1=m2a
T1-m1g=m1a

I added the equations together for m2 and m3 because they're connected by a cord and
the acceleration for the whole system should be the same.

m3g-T2+T2-T1=(m2+m3)a
m3g-T1=(m2+m3)a

m3=6kg m2=3kg g=9.8

(6kg)(9.8m/s^2)-T1 = 9a

i solved for a

T1-m1g=m1a

a = (T1-m1g)/(m1)

58.8-T1=9((T1-m1g)/(m1))

58.8-T1=9((T1-(2)(9.8))/(2))

58.8-T1=(9T1-176.4)/(2)

117.6-2(T1)=9(T1)-176.4

294-2(T1)=9(T1)

11(T1) = 294

T1 = 26.7272 N

I felt like i did this right, and it's tormenting me..
 
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In your second equation T2 -T1 = m2a, you forgot to include the weight, m2g, in that equation.
 
AHinkle said:
T2-T1=m2a

This equation i wrong. Gravity acts on all masses!

ehild
 
Thanks guys, I got it right. That small oversight cost me an hour at least.

m3g-T2 = m3a
T2-T1-m2g=m2a
T1-m1g=m1a

m3g-T1-m2g=(m2+m3)a

a=(T1-m1g)/(m1)

(6)(9.8)-T1-(3)(9.8)=9a
58.8-T1-29.4=9a
29.4-T1=9a

sub in a
29.4-T1=9((T1-m1g)/(m1))

29.4-T1=((9)(T1)-(18)g)/2
58.8-2(T1)=9(T1)-176.4

-(2)(T1)=(9)(T1)-235.2
-(11)(T1)=-235.2
T1= (-235.2)/(-11)

T1= 21.3818 N
 
It is an easier job if you add up all equations. That cancels all inner forces (tensions here) and you get the acceleration as the total external force divided by the total mass. Knowing the acceleration, it is easy to find the tensions.

ehild
 

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