Audio Source Moving @ Supersonic Speed

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of sound emitted from a speaker moving at supersonic speeds, specifically at Mach 1.5. Participants explore the implications of this scenario on how sound waves are perceived by a stationary observer, including concepts such as the Doppler effect and shock waves.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a stationary observer might hear sound waves emitted from the speaker in reverse order after it passes them, although this is debated.
  • Others argue that while the speaker is behind its shockwave, the observer hears nothing, and when the speaker is on the same side, the music is Doppler shifted.
  • A participant explains that sounds emitted before the speaker passes will be heard in a specific sequence based on the speed of the speaker and the time it takes for sound to travel.
  • Another participant questions how sound can "chase" the speaker, suggesting that sound moving forward is collapsed into the shock wave.
  • Some participants discuss the geometry of the shock wave and how it may allow for the perception of previously emitted sounds, albeit limited to certain angles.
  • Concerns are raised about the effects of the shock wave on hearing and measurement equipment.
  • One participant notes that at the apex of the shock wave cone, the mathematics becomes complex, leading to high frequencies.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether sounds can be heard in reverse order and how sound waves interact with the shock wave. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the mathematics involved and the dependence on specific conditions, such as the angle of sound emission and the speed of the speaker relative to the speed of sound.

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Let's say I have an indestructible speaker and I launch it out of a cannon at Mach 1.5 while it's playing music. (To make things simple, it also has an iPod and battery attached to it.) If the speaker passes a stationary observer, will they hear each cycle of the sound wave from the speaker in reverse order after the speaker passes them?

I remember reading a paper about this, but I can't find it anywhere now and I'm starting to think maybe I imagined it.
 
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heavyrocks said:
I remember reading a paper about this, but I can't find it anywhere now and I'm starting to think maybe I imagined it.
xkcd: What if?

In theory, it would be possible to hear it backwards, but in a realistic setup this is really hard.
 
I can't imagine why they would hear music play backwards. While it is behind its shockwave you hear nothing, while on the same side, you hear Doppler shifted music.

If the music starts before being shot by the cannon, you hear normal music, then a sonic boom, then the more normal music combined with skipped-ahead, Doppler shifted music.
 
See the explanation I linked. With the example of Mach 2: 1/2 second after the radio passes you, you hear sounds emitted 1/2s ago (emitted in a distance of 1 "sound-second"). 1 second after the radio passes you, you hear sounds emitted 1s ago (in a distance of 2 "sound-seconds"), and so on.

If the radio moves at Mach 1, you hear "everything at the same time", and below Mach 1 you hear it in the right order.
 
MFB, you're right on the money, that's where I saw it. Thanks a googol.
 
I guess the part I'm not getting is how the sound can "chase" the speaker. Any sound moving forward gets collapsed into the shock wave, doesn't it?
 
At exactly mach 1, there is just a pressure front, but once you go faster than the sound waves themselves, all the wave fronts except the one you're currently emitting are behind you.
 
Hmm. Looking at the diagram on the wiki page for sonic boom, the shock wave forms a tangent to the expanding circles of sound and due to the angle, there is a small portion of the forward facing hemisphere not included in the shock wave. So it would indeed enable hearing some* of the previous emitted sounds backwards in a short time.

*Based on the angle emitted, you only get sounds angled slightly forward of straight down.
 
heavyrocks said:
At exactly mach 1, there is just a pressure front, but once you go faster than the sound waves themselves, all the wave fronts except the one you're currently emitting are behind you.
Behind the flying speaker, yes: and almost half is combined into the shock wave.

(Edit). I'm still thinking this through/ trying to diagram it; it is hard to take the tangent of a point...
 
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Assuming the shock wave doesn't ruin your ears/science-grade microphone.
 
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At the apex of the cone the math gets hairy, frequency becomes arbitrarily large.
 

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