Average Speed With Ambiguous Distance/Time

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The discussion revolves around calculating the average speed of a locomotive that travels to a point at 40 mi/h and returns at 60 mi/h. The average speed is derived using the formula avgS = total distance/total time, leading to the conclusion that the average speed for the round trip is 48 mi/h. A detailed breakdown of the calculation shows that the total time for the trip is based on the distances and speeds for both legs of the journey. Some participants express confusion over the steps in the solution, but the correct average speed is confirmed to be 48 mi/h. The conversation emphasizes the importance of careful calculation and understanding of the underlying principles.
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Homework Statement


A locomotive travels on a straight track at a constant speed of 40 mi/h, then reverses direction and returns to its starting point, traveling at a constant speed of 60 mi/h. What is the average speed for the round-trip?

Homework Equations



avgS = distance/time
t = d/40

The Attempt at a Solution



avgS = 2d/(t+40/60(t))
= 2d/(t+(2/3)t)
= 2(t/40)/(t+(2/3)t)
= (t/20)/(t+(2/3)t)
I don't really know what to do after this point. The solution manual has the steps for the solution as:

avgS = 2d/(t+(2/3)t)
= 80t/(t+(2/3)t) = 48 mi/h

I have no idea how they got to the last step. Any help is greatly appreciated.
 
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In case you don't know how they got the first step, they took the total distance over the total time: it's t+2/3t because he's traveling 1.5 times as fast on the way back. as t represents the amount of time it takes the train to get to the turning point, we can use the formula d = 40t (because distance = speed*time) and substitute into the formula given in the answers: 2d = 80t.
 
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Ah, thanks. How did they get the final answer of 48 mi/h?
 
80t/(5/3t)=240t/5t=48
 
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Thank you!
 
onemic said:

Homework Statement


A locomotive travels on a straight track at a constant speed of 40 mi/h, then reverses direction and returns to its starting point, traveling at a constant speed of 60 mi/h. What is the average speed for the round-trip?

Homework Equations



avgS = distance/time
t = d/40

The Attempt at a Solution



avgS = 2d/(t+40/60(t))
= 2d/(t+(2/3)t)
= 2(t/40)/(t+(2/3)t)
= (t/20)/(t+(2/3)t)
I don't really know what to do after this point. The solution manual has the steps for the solution as:

avgS = 2d/(t+(2/3)t)
= 80t/(t+(2/3)t) = 48 mi/h

I have no idea how they got to the last step. Any help is greatly appreciated.

I much prefer to do it from first principles, in detail and without skipping steps; here is how:

If distance out = distance in = d (in miles), time out is T_o = d/40 (in hours), and time in is T_i = d/60. Total time = T_o+T_i = d(1/40 + 1/60) = (100/2400) d. Round-trip distance is 2d, so average speed is S_avg = 2d/(total time) = 2400/100 = 24 (in miles/hr).
 
Ray Vickson said:
I much prefer to do it from first principles, in detail and without skipping steps; here is how:

If distance out = distance in = d (in miles), time out is T_o = d/40 (in hours), and time in is T_i = d/60. Total time = T_o+T_i = d(1/40 + 1/60) = (100/2400) d. Round-trip distance is 2d, so average speed is S_avg = 2d/(total time) = 2400/100 = 24 (in miles/hr).
You have an error here, Ray, from a lost or misplaced factor of 2. The average speed for the entire trip is 48 mi/hr.
 
Mark44 said:
You have an error here, Ray, from a lost or misplaced factor of 2. The average speed for the entire trip is 48 mi/hr.

Thanks. That was an obvious typo that I did not see before pressing the enter key.
 
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