Bandwidth at resoance and peak dB level

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of bandwidth at resonance in a series RLC circuit, specifically when the values of the components are doubled. Participants are exploring the calculation of the gain at resonance, expressed in decibels (dB), based on simulated circuit data and measurements.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant is investigating the effect of doubling the components in a series RLC circuit on bandwidth at resonance and has simulated the circuit to create a Bode plot.
  • The participant reports a gain peak at -20.82 dB at resonance and seeks guidance on calculating this value based on their measurements.
  • Another participant provides a voltage divider equation involving the impedances of the circuit components and suggests a method to find the peak voltage by differentiating the output voltage with respect to frequency.
  • The provided solution includes specific values for resistances, inductance, and capacitance, leading to a calculated peak value of -20.8279 dBV.
  • A later reply expresses appreciation for the breakdown of the equations, indicating that it has clarified the situation for them.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the calculation method for the dB level, as one participant seeks further clarification on the calculation while another provides a detailed approach. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific calculation process.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the circuit configuration and the definitions of the components involved, which may affect the calculations. There are also unresolved steps in the mathematical derivation presented.

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Hi,

I'm investigating what happens to bandwidth at resonance of a series RLC circuit when each component is doubled.

i have simulated the circuits and created a bode plot. You can see from the photos that at resonance the gain peaks at -20.82 dB. I would like to know how to calculate this value.

i have an input voltage of 10Vp and the voltage at resonance across the resistor is 6.428V. i understand that the voltage across both resistors is 7.07V because the multimeter is measuring RMS but how do i calculate the db level.
 

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Thanks for the reply but that still doesn't tell me how to calculate the -22 dB.
 
You have a voltage divider with impedances:

Z1 = R1 + j*omega*L + 1/(j*omega*C) = R1 + j*(omega*L - 1/(omega*C) )
Z2 = R2

Your measured voltage, call it Vout, is then given by:

Vout = Z2/(Z1 + Z2) = R2/(R1 + R2 + j*(omega*L - 1/(omega*C) ) )

with magnitude:

|Vout| = R2/sqrt( (R1 + R2)^2 + (omega*L - 1/(omega*C) )^2 )

Find peak value by finding roots of the derivative of |Vout| with respect to omega and substitute into Vout, you probably know the drill.

My solution gives:

Peak value = R2/sqrt( (R1+R2)^2 + (L/sqrt(L*C) - sqrt(L*C)/C)^2 ) = 0.0909 V = -20.8279 dBV

for R1 = 10 ohm, R2 = 1 ohm, L = 70 mH, C = 110 uF.
 
Thanks,

Once you're broke down the equations its made it easier to see what is going on.

Thanks for the help :)
 

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