Bases for Tangent Spaces and Subspaces - McInerney Theorem 3.3.14

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The discussion centers around the proof of Theorem 3.3.14 from Andrew McInerney's book on differential geometry, specifically regarding the standard basis vectors for the tangent space ##T_p(S_f)##. Participants explore the geometric interpretation and mathematical justification of these basis vectors in the context of tangent spaces and subspaces.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants discuss the case of ##n=2##, describing the tangent space as a hyperplane touching the graph of a function at a point, and the choice of basis vectors related to the directions of differentiation.
  • One participant suggests that the tangent vectors can be represented as derivatives along chosen curves in the graph, emphasizing the local nature of tangents.
  • Another participant provides a mathematical framework for defining the tangent space, using projections and curves to demonstrate that the vectors ##(\mathbf e_j)_p## belong to the tangent space.
  • There is mention of the linear independence of the vectors ##(\mathbf e_j)_p## and their role as a basis for the tangent space, referencing linear algebra principles.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the terminology of 'standard basis vectors', with a suggestion that it refers to their use as default basis vectors rather than implying any special properties.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various interpretations and approaches to understanding the basis vectors for the tangent space, with no clear consensus on a single explanation or method. The discussion remains open-ended with multiple viewpoints presented.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the dimensionality and properties of the tangent space are discussed, but there are unresolved aspects regarding the implications of the definitions and the specific conditions under which the claims hold true.

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The thread concerns a basis for a tangent space ...
I am reading Andrew McInerney's book: First Steps in Differential Geometry: Riemannian, Contact, Symplectic ... and I am focused on Chapter 3: Advanced Calculus ... and in particular on Section 3.3: Geometric Sets and Subspaces of ##T_p ( \mathbb{R}^n )## ... ...

I need help with an aspect of the proof of Theorem 3.3.14 ... ...

Theorem 3.3.14 reads as follows:
McInerney - 1 - Theorem 3.3.14 ... ... Page 1 ... .png

McInerney - 2 - Theorem 3.3.14 ... ... Page 2 ... .png


Can someone please explain/demonstrate explicitly why/how ##(e_1)_p, (e_2)_p, \ ... \ ... \ , (e_{n-1} )_p## are the standard basis vectors for ##T_p( S_f )## ...Help will be much appreciated ... ...

Peter==================================================================================================================The above post mentions Theorem 3.3.13 so I am providing text of the theorem together with a relevant definition ... as follows:
McInerney - Defn 3.3.12 & Theorem 3.3.13 ... ... Page 1 ... .png

McInerney - 2 - Defn 3.3.12 & Theorem 3.3.13 ... ... Page 2 ... .png

Hope that helps readers follow the post ...

Peter
 
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Try to imagine the case ##n=2##. Then we would have some surface in three dimensional space as the graph of the function, e.g. https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=f(x,y)=-x^2-0.3+xy+5.

The tangent space is then a (hyper-)plane ##H## touching the graph at a certain point ##p##. (It may also intersect the graph elsewhere, but this is irrelevant. Differentiation and tangents are a local phenomenon and we are only interested in what happens around ##p##.) Next which coordinates of ##H## can we choose? We take ##p## as origin of our coordinate system. We will consider the tangent space as a linear space with coordinates in its own, and not an affine space ##p+H## which we get, if we will take the 'outer' coordinates of ##\mathbb{R}^3##. However, we want to stay within ##T_p(f)## and there are only two basis vectors and ##p## is their origin. But which ones to take? From ##p## we can go in any direction. Standard would be, however, to go along the coordinates we differentiated along, that is ##x =x_1## and ##y=x_2##. So the tangent vectors which provide the coordinates along the direction of differentiation are ##(1,0,\frac{\partial f}{\partial {x_1}}) \triangleq (x, \partial_xf) ## and ##(0,1,\frac{\partial f}{\partial {x_2}}) \triangleq (y,\partial_yf)##.

Remember that the tangent vectors are those along any curve ##c## within the graph at the point ##p##. Now we simply have chosen two curves (out of any) in ##x_1## and ##x_2## direction. Two are enough to span ##H##.

The same goes for higher dimensions ##n>2##.
 
Thanks fresh_42 for a most helpful post ...

Reflecting on what you have written ...

Peter
 
Let ##p = (p_1,...,p_n)## and ##q=(p_1,...,p_{n-1})## its projection on the hyperplane H given by ##x_n=0## (note that means that ##p_n=f(p_1,...,p_{n-1})=f(q)##). You can think of H as the horizontal plane in the 3D case, in which case q is the spot on H that is vertically below p, and that maps to p under function ##f##.

For ##j = 1,...,n-1## let ##b_j(t)=q + t \mathbf e_j##, and then define ##c_j(t) = \bigg(b_j(t),f(b_j(t))\bigg) ##.

Then it is not difficult to show that ##c_j(0)=p## and ##(c_j)'(0) = (\mathbf e_j)_p## so that all the ##(\mathbf e_j)_p## are in the tangent space (by 3.3.12).

We can also show that the vectors ##(\mathbf e_j)_p## are linearly independent. Indeed, I think that may have already been implicitly proved in one of the other threads you posted about this text, about the rank of a Jacobian.

We then use Thm 3.3.13 that tells us the tangent space is a n-1 dimensional subspace. Linear algebra tells us that any set of n-1 linearly independent vectors in a n-1 dimensional space forms a basis for that space, so the n-1 vectors ##(\mathbf e_j)_p## are a basis for the tangent space.

Don't worry about his use of the words 'standard basis vectors'. I think he just means that he will be using them as his default basis for the subspace, not that they have some special property of 'standardness'. Indeed, the vectors do not all have length 1, which is a property often sought in 'standard' bases.

Edited 5:25 pm 20/4/19 to correct an error in the formula for ##c_j(t)##, which then enabled a simplification of the formula.
 
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Thanks Andrew ...

Thinking through what you have written ...

Peter
 

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