Basic question - balance of forces....?

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The discussion revolves around the balance of forces on a massless beam supported at two points, with a specific focus on calculating the forces exerted at each support when a weight is placed on the beam. The context includes both theoretical understanding and practical application, particularly related to a trailer hitch problem.

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  • One participant presents a scenario involving a massless beam supported at two points with a weight applied, seeking to understand the forces at each support.
  • Another participant suggests using torque calculations about each support to determine the forces, emphasizing the need for net torque to be zero.
  • A later reply expresses a desire for a specific example rather than a general explanation, indicating a preference for practical application over theoretical discussion.
  • One participant provides a detailed calculation of the forces at each support, concluding with specific values for the forces based on their calculations.
  • Another participant acknowledges the correctness of the calculations presented, indicating a level of agreement on the approach taken.

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While there is some agreement on the calculations provided by one participant, the discussion includes varying levels of detail and approaches to the problem, indicating that multiple perspectives and methods are present without a definitive consensus on the best approach.

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The discussion does not resolve all assumptions regarding the definitions of forces and torques, nor does it clarify the specific conditions under which the calculations apply, such as the nature of the supports or the distribution of weight along the beam.

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I'm trying to find some basic physics information. Suppose you have a (massless) beam, supported at two points, 10 feet apart. You have a force (m*g) of 100 Newtons resting on that beam, say 4 meters from the left point (6 meters from the right)... How much force does that exert on each point, and how do you calculate it...? It seems this would be a simple physics example but I can't seem to find any info on an example like this. I'm working on a trailer hitch problem and the info would be useful...

Thanks.
 
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Sorry, I meant the beam is 10 meters long...
 
Try looking at the torque about each support, keeping in mind that the net torque about any point must be zero.
 
Thanks, but I was looking for a more specific 'example'. I'm not a student trying to get an answer for a homework problem... thanks anyway.
 
tbaker said:
Thanks, but I was looking for a more specific 'example'. I'm not a student trying to get an answer for a homework problem... thanks anyway.
That's not how we roll here. For spoon-fed answers you will need to look elsewhere. The expectation is that you will put in some effort, show your work and we will try to help when you get stuck.

So, can you pick a point on the beam and write down expressions for the torque about that point from each of the three forces on the beam?
 
So I think I've got it. It's been a while since I've done a physics problem.

So there's a beam (massless), 10 feet long. At each end is a support. A 100 pound weight is 2 feet from the left support (8 feet from the right). The system is in static equilibrium. Call the 100 pound weight F3. The left support F1, the right support F2. So F3 = F1 + F2. Using torque (I'll simplify it as FxD). So, since F1 and F2 are also in equilibrium with each other, F1*D1 = F2*D2, or F1*2 = F2*8.

So, F1 = 4*F2
So, F2 + 4F2 = 100
5F2 = 100
F2 = 20 lbs.
F1 = 80 lbs

Anyhow, I think I have what I need to get an idea what I'm trying to figure out.

Thanks.
 
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That looks correct.
 
Thanks pixel
 

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