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The discussion revolves around finding the basis of the solution space for a homogeneous system of linear equations represented by two equations: x - 2y + 3z = 0 and -3x + 6y - 9z = 0. The subject area is linear algebra, specifically focusing on the concepts of solution spaces and basis vectors.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss setting up the equations in matrix form and reducing them to row echelon form. There are attempts to solve for variables and determine the basis vectors for the solution space. Some participants express confusion about parameterization and the correctness of their derived vectors.

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The discussion includes various interpretations of the problem, with some participants questioning the independence of the equations and the implications for the solution space's dimensionality. Guidance has been offered regarding the nature of the equations and the potential for multiple correct answers.

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One participant notes a mistake in labeling values in the matrix, which led to a re-evaluation of their work. There is an emphasis on the idea that linear algebra is not solely about matrices, suggesting a preference for solving equations in a more traditional manner.

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Homework Statement


Find the basis of the solution space of the homogeneous system of linear equations.
x-2y+3z=0
-3x+6y-9z=0


Homework Equations


Ax=0


The Attempt at a Solution


I first set up my equation
\left[ \begin{array}{cccc} 1 & 2 & -3 \\ -3 & 6 & 9 \end{array} \right]*\left[ \begin{array}{cccc} x \\ y \\ z \end{array} \right]=0

Then I put A in rref to get:
\left[ \begin{array}{cccc} 1 & -2 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 1 \end{array} \right]

So I get the system:
x-2y=0
z=0

From here I'm lost. I don't know if I should paramterize or what. I did try setting z=t x=s, but the vectors I got were not correct. Any help would be great.
 
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you made a mistake


you should get x - 2y + 3z = 0


Look at your matrix, where you have a 2 you should have -2, and where you have a -3 you should have a 3
 
Thanks for your help. I incorrectly labeled those values. Actually on my paper have those values correct. What you did make me do was double check my work and I did 9 instead of -9. The answer checks.
 
fsm said:

Homework Statement


Find the basis of the solution space of the homogeneous system of linear equations.
x-2y+3z=0
-3x+6y-9z=0
In my (not so humble) opinion, too many students get the idea that "linear algebra" is all about "matrices". To combat that, I prefer to avoid using them for problems like this.
The first thing I would do is try to "solve" those equations in the "usual" way: seeing "x" in one and "-3x" in the other I multiply the first equation by 3 and add to the second equation. Much to my surprise, everything cancels! That tell me that the two equations are not independent and there really is just one equation there: x- 2y+ 3z= 0.

Okay, that means every <x, y, z> in the solution space must satisfy x- 2y+ 3z= 0. I can pick two of the variables to be anything I want, and solve for the third. That means the solution space is 2 dimensional and I need 2 basis vectors. As I said, I could let any two variables be any two numbers I want. Since it is easy to solve for x: x= 2y- 3z, I can choose y and z to be whatever I want. I prefer to use 1 and 0. (I have a preference for really easy numbers!)

If y= 1 and z= 0, then x= 2(1)-3(0)= 2. <2, 1, 0> is in the solution space. If y= 0 and z= 1, then x= 2(0)- 3(1)= -3. <-3, 0, 1> is also in the solution space. It is easy to see those are independent (it is a result of choosing "0, 1" and "1, 0") so a basis for the solution space is {<2, 1, 0>, <-3, 0, 1>}.

You say that the vectors you got were "not correct". How did you determine that? You should realize that there are an infinite number of correct answers so your (correct) answer might well be different from that got by someone else or given in your text.

Homework Equations


Ax=0


The Attempt at a Solution


I first set up my equation
\left[ \begin{array}{cccc} 1 &amp; 2 &amp; -3 \\ -3 &amp; 6 &amp; 9 \end{array} \right]*\left[ \begin{array}{cccc} x \\ y \\ z \end{array} \right]=0

Then I put A in rref to get:
\left[ \begin{array}{cccc} 1 &amp; -2 &amp; 0 \\ 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 1 \end{array} \right]

So I get the system:
x-2y=0
z=0

From here I'm lost. I don't know if I should paramterize or what. I did try setting z=t x=s, but the vectors I got were not correct. Any help would be great.
 
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