Battery Puzzled, Something is wrong here.

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The discussion revolves around the functioning of batteries, particularly in series configurations, and the flow of electrons within them. Participants explore the basic principles of battery operation, the role of insulation, and the internal processes that allow for current flow in devices powered by multiple batteries.

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  • One participant questions the common explanation of battery operation, particularly regarding how electrons flow in a series configuration with multiple batteries.
  • Another participant clarifies that there is no insulation between batteries when connected in series, as they are linked by wires or direct contact, allowing for electron flow.
  • A different participant mentions the presence of a separator and electrolyte in certain battery types, which prevents shorting and controls electron flow, contributing to the overall functioning of the battery.
  • One participant argues that the internal chemical processes of a battery maintain a constant voltage, regardless of whether the current is coming from a load or another battery, suggesting that the battery operates uniformly in both scenarios.

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Participants express differing views on the explanation of battery operation, particularly regarding the role of insulation and the flow of electrons in series configurations. There is no consensus on the simplifications presented in common explanations of battery function.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the complexity of battery chemistry and the mechanisms involved in electron flow, indicating that common explanations may oversimplify these processes. The discussion reflects various interpretations of how batteries operate in series.

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Ok, this may be a very stupid question but I just can't find a right explanation.

I was reading about how a battery works (i.e. car or AA battery etc) and I found several videos giving the following explanation. (e-) are concentrated on one pole and a positively charged material is in the other pole with an insulation in between. Plug a light bulb and (e-) will rush from one pole to the other passing trough the spring, heating it up, photos are released etc etc, you get light! perfect. The explanation works here.

However, most electronics connect this batteries in series, and in this case, the basic explanation above doesn't make sense. If I have 3 batteries in series (A, B and C) in a device something like this:

device} [-/A/+] [-/B/+] [-/C/+] → {device

I can see how electrons go from C to A passing trough the device powering it. but how about electrons from A and B, how do they reach the device if there is an insulation.
Also according to this explanation, if put + of one battery next to - of another battery, it would drain one battery and leave the other with 2 negatively charged poles separated by the insulation in the middle. I know this is not the case, so I asume that explanation is a simplification of an obviously different process. Anyone could enlighten me?
 
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There is no insulation, the batteries are connected with wires (or by a direct contact). If more electrons flow into the positive side of C, more electrons can leave the negative side of C.
There are more than enough electrons in the battery material ;).
 
There is a seperator (permeable membrane) in a some types of batteries to keep the plates from touching (shorting) and a electrolyte that conducts the ions that cross from one plate to the other and normally stop most electron flow. (that would cause self-discharge)

Lead Acid Battery: http://ecee.colorado.edu/~ecen4517/materials/Battery.pdf
 
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If you think about it, there is no difference between a single battery powering a load (current out = current in) and the middle battery in the stack you drew (current out = current in). The same internal chemical processes are at work in the battery to keep a "constant" voltage across the battery terminals. The battery doesn't know the difference between electrons from a load and electrons from another battery. Either way it has to conduct I and maintain a constant voltage.

A perfect voltage source has 0 ohms resistance since it maintains the same voltage regardless of current.

As for the internal details, I really liked the lead acid battery link from nsaspook.
 

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